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Caitlin Dickerson

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697 total appearances

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

You are subject to deportation if you don't have legal status.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And for the vast majority of the undocumented population, there is no pathway to legal status.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

This is another thing that people don't realize.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

I got an email from a reader after a recent story saying to me,

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

Caitlin, you're writing about all these people you say have been in the United States for 15 or 16 years.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

Why don't they just become citizens instead of trying to leech off the system and refusing to pay taxes?

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And I had to write this person back and say, undocumented immigrants contribute billions of dollars to the American tax base every year.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And trust me, if these folks in my story could have become citizens, they would have eagerly done so to avoid being detained and potentially deported.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

after so much time in the country.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

Those options do not exist, and Congress controls all of that.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

ICE does not control that.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

ICE can only do what the law tells it to do.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

The law on its face says everybody who doesn't have status is deportable.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

You know, so even more so now I could see people saying they would want ICE to be abolished at some point in the future because you're going to have this massive workforce that is disaligned with what I think a lot of people think immigration enforcement should look like in the United States.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

So my sense is that the country would not support a world in which there was no immigration enforcement.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

I don't see that as a realistic possibility.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

But I think that a lot of the

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

anger behind this abolish ICE message really comes out of people's frustration, and they may not realize this, with what Congress has told ICE to do.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

OK, so I'm going to recommend Impossible Subjects by May Nye.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

This is kind of a holy grail book for immigration nerds, but it's eminently readable and it tells the story of Americans' relationship to immigrants, really helps people understand how we reached this moment.