Caitlin Green

OK, thank you.

Thanks, David.

Not Ashley Tisdale.

And I'm glad that we figured out how to pronounce her last name because this person to me hasn't been famous for such a long time that when I've been talking about her, I've been saying Tisdale because I really feel like my brain has just said, nah, this isn't a real celebrity.

So good for her for writing this essay in the cut that now has her back in the headlines because everyone's talking about her.

No, she hasn't.

She was on High School Musical.

That's probably like her biggest claim to fame and then was sort of professionally online, very photographed in L.A.

and found herself in a kind of famous and famous adjacent group of moms in Hollywood that included Hilary Duff, Mandy Moore and singer Meghan Trainor, amongst a bunch of other people who are like stylists and fashion designers.

And that's the group that she's been calling toxic.

Yeah.

So it's so funny to hear you refer to the secret lives of Mormon wise in this like distant way.

I'm obsessed with that show.

And so what they call themselves is mom talk.

And yes, you're right.

The biggest thing that bonds them was making dancing videos together.

And they really took off during lockdown periods for a lot of people when everyone was glued to their phones.

And they say it's a support group.

I really think it's a group of people who want to be main characters.

Yeah.