Caitlin V

He played the long game.

There's no way that you're doing this for multiple days sober.

Yeah, I think that from everything that I understand with this case in particular, so much of it comes down to power.

Yes, I imagine that wasn't the first or the only time that that happened.

But in the case documents that I read, some of the earlier allegations against him were coming actually from college women when he would perform on college campuses.

And that he would, again, was accused of drugging and assaulting college women after performing on their campuses.

And the thing that really stuck out to me as fascinating about that

is that I should think that as a music performer at a college campus, it would not be difficult for you to have consensual sex.

Right, right.

In my personal experience, someone with a microphone and any degree of talent.

Yes.

You do not have to drug or coerce women into having sex with you.

Unless you enjoy having power over other people.

Unless the actual joy that you are getting is in doing harm to other people.

And then sex is just the vehicle for that.

The other piece about that.

And I think it's interesting, like if you do have that degree of power and socioeconomic status, going like circling back to the conversation we had earlier, your life is easy.

In many ways, yeah.

Yeah, right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.