Caitlin V

It's not necessarily all easy.

It solves a lot of the core ones that most people deal with, right?

And to a degree, if you can pretty much buy anything in any store and there's no real adversity.

We think that we don't want adversity.

right?

We think that we want the beautiful butter lettuce that was made under perfect conditions.

We actually do want adversity.

We want a little bit of adversity.

We want, we want it, we call it in my partnership, we call it mild adversity.

You know, the things that like make for an interesting experience.

If you go on a vacation and everything works out exactly right, like they have your car ready and the hotel room is just fine and the beach was perfect that day and the lobster was delicious or whatever, like there was no, you

Like what was memorable about that?

Oh yeah, but that wasn't a nice sunset, wasn't it?

That was the sunset that remember we had to race across the island because you left your toothbrush or whatever.

And then we almost missed our flight.

Like those are the things that we really remember.

And so I think that we get into a point for many of us, because we are so comfortable where we actually begin to manufacture adversity or we begin to need to entertain ourselves through seeking increasing levels of intensity.

in order to have us feel alive.

My thinking on that as someone who's not an expert on the case and hasn't followed it that closely, again, just because of my own sensitivity towards these things,

is that if you are in a position where you wield a lot of power over folks and you are able to coerce people into staying with you for many, many years, and I think we don't fully understand, and courts are not an ideal place to really flesh out the dynamics that exist, the psychology that exists between someone who's saying, I love you, I'll protect you, I'm the only person who can make your career or give you what you want or give you access to the people that you need access to in order to succeed,