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Cal Newport

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Deep Questions with Cal Newport
Was the Mythos Ban Justified? (Good Idea. Bad Execution.) | AI Reality Check

This really got a lot of people scared.

Deep Questions with Cal Newport
Was the Mythos Ban Justified? (Good Idea. Bad Execution.) | AI Reality Check

The problem is you can go back to one of their earlier models, one of their earlier Opus models, and if you read, like I did, a report that Anthropic released on their blog the same day as that earlier Opus model came out, they said, we found hundreds of zero-day vulnerabilities, some of which had been around for decades.

Deep Questions with Cal Newport
Was the Mythos Ban Justified? (Good Idea. Bad Execution.) | AI Reality Check

So it wasn't some brand new thing that mythos could do that earlier models could not.

Deep Questions with Cal Newport
Was the Mythos Ban Justified? (Good Idea. Bad Execution.) | AI Reality Check

Then we got multiple independent security researchers that said, okay, well, we took some of the marquee bugs that

Deep Questions with Cal Newport
Was the Mythos Ban Justified? (Good Idea. Bad Execution.) | AI Reality Check

Anthropic said they had found with Mythos and we gave that same source code to other models, smaller models, pre-existing models, cheaper models, said, you know, do a bug search on this.

Deep Questions with Cal Newport
Was the Mythos Ban Justified? (Good Idea. Bad Execution.) | AI Reality Check

And they found the bugs as well.

Deep Questions with Cal Newport
Was the Mythos Ban Justified? (Good Idea. Bad Execution.) | AI Reality Check

Then we got other sort of independent benchmark testing of Mythos once it became a little bit more available.

Deep Questions with Cal Newport
Was the Mythos Ban Justified? (Good Idea. Bad Execution.) | AI Reality Check

And it really fell into this pattern of like,

Deep Questions with Cal Newport
Was the Mythos Ban Justified? (Good Idea. Bad Execution.) | AI Reality Check

evolutionary, you know, incremental increases on these type of capabilities.

Deep Questions with Cal Newport
Was the Mythos Ban Justified? (Good Idea. Bad Execution.) | AI Reality Check

And of course, maybe the biggest sign that Mythos was not this world-changing bug finder is that Anthropix's own software remains very buggy and has security vulnerabilities, even post-Mythos.

Deep Questions with Cal Newport
Was the Mythos Ban Justified? (Good Idea. Bad Execution.) | AI Reality Check

So I guess it hasn't been able to fully find all of their bugs.

Deep Questions with Cal Newport
Was the Mythos Ban Justified? (Good Idea. Bad Execution.) | AI Reality Check

So what was really going on here, my contention was the original Mythos scare campaign was marketing.

Deep Questions with Cal Newport
Was the Mythos Ban Justified? (Good Idea. Bad Execution.) | AI Reality Check

One of the other biggest pieces of evidence for that is bug finding pre-mythos was not what the AI companies were bragging about.

Deep Questions with Cal Newport
Was the Mythos Ban Justified? (Good Idea. Bad Execution.) | AI Reality Check

These were not the capabilities that they were touting to try to emphasize the power of their software and all of its possibilities going forward.

Deep Questions with Cal Newport
Was the Mythos Ban Justified? (Good Idea. Bad Execution.) | AI Reality Check

Bug finding is what we were doing with like GPT-2.

Deep Questions with Cal Newport
Was the Mythos Ban Justified? (Good Idea. Bad Execution.) | AI Reality Check

This is not exciting.

Deep Questions with Cal Newport
Was the Mythos Ban Justified? (Good Idea. Bad Execution.) | AI Reality Check

So the fact that that is what they emphasized by mythos, in my mind,

Deep Questions with Cal Newport
Was the Mythos Ban Justified? (Good Idea. Bad Execution.) | AI Reality Check

was, uh-oh, we trained this new massive model and it got like a little bit better at everything.

Deep Questions with Cal Newport
Was the Mythos Ban Justified? (Good Idea. Bad Execution.) | AI Reality Check

That's not exciting enough.

Deep Questions with Cal Newport
Was the Mythos Ban Justified? (Good Idea. Bad Execution.) | AI Reality Check

We need headlines.