Caleb Gilbert

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Other than human nature,

What kind of, I don't want to say selection course, because that's not it.

I think you know what I'm getting at, though.

How do you know you have the right person?

Okay, so slightly vetted at least by somebody

How's it been scaling your company?

I'm familiar.

Yeah.

You know, you'd forget about it.

Well, at the end of the year, traditionally.

Isn't it wild how your Optica money shifts over time?

It's good to have that objective metric because in the world that we live in without that and the subjectivity, it's an easy way to say it is we live in a very litigious world.

Absolutely.