Caleb Hearon

I just have a, I feel pretty, I just feel pretty good about myself.

My mom?

Yeah, for sure.

My mom definitely always complimented me and complimented me on things that,

Yeah, my mom always, my mom did a very good job at parenting in that way.

Like I definitely got a lot of confidence from her love, but also I think really the biggest challenge for me was like, I relate a lot in obviously a different way to what you're talking about, like growing up and feeling like very undesirable and like very different.

Just growing up fat is such a nightmare.

And being fat in general is such a nightmare.

I still have to fend off so many like disparate ideas about... Like I see... When I would read about myself online, I would see so many things about like... Especially when this podcast started and I would talk about my sex life.

I would see so many things about people being like...

How long are we going to let this guy pretend that he gets laid?

Whoa!

And it actually used to make me mad, but then it started to make me sad because I'm like, oh, you just actually don't think that fat people have any value.

That's so crazy.

And it's crazy because I don't know that person, but I would bet dollar to dollar that if you put me in a room with them, I would...

every single thing about me would outshine them absolutely and I'm like yeah but you just don't because I'm a fat person you can't see why someone would be attracted to me and yet you're the type of person who behaves like that online precisely like I guarantee I would fucking dog walk you absolutely in every social interaction yeah

And that's fine.

But it just makes me, I'm like, oh, that's such an interesting and limited view of the world.

But it's also one that I internalized for so long.

And so I think in my early mid-20s, getting over that and being like, oh, yeah, there's people that feel that way.