Cameron Hanes
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
That's right. That's right. Yeah.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
He's... Yeah, he's a machine right now. You know, it's weird because I get credit for my kids, you know, and they're like, oh, you must have done such a good job. I didn't. I mean, I pushed those boys way too hard. I mean, I was just, I didn't know what the hell I was doing. I was young. I was in my 20s. So I didn't know how to be a dad. My dad was never around.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
I hated my stepdad, so I knew I definitely didn't want to be like him, but I didn't know what a dad was supposed to be. And I'm like, well, okay, I'm just going to prepare these kids. I know how life is. I know life will fucking kick you in the nuts. So they're going to be ready for anything. Life is competition. They're going to be ready to compete.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
So I pushed them really hard, and it was not great all the time. How so?
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Um, you know, it was just always a battle. It's just like, you know, it's, we're running every day. You guys got home from school. Okay. Get your stuff on. We're going to go do Pisgah. No kid wants to go run a mountain. And I'm like, no, this is because the way I thought it thought it of, of it was I had a terrible childhood, but it made me tough. So I'm like, you guys have everything.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
You have everything I ever wanted. Your dad's around. Your mom is here. She loves you. You have every shoe you want, every basketball camp you want to go to, you go to. I said, so the way this is going, you're going to grow up to be a couple of big pussies. we're going to make you tough. So I would just make them do hard things.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
And, and, uh, I made it, they both did half marathons when they were seven and eight years old. True. It just put up a picture. He looks like he's this tall. He was tiny at eight years, eight years old, but he ran a one 54 half like this tall, which is eight something minute miles. And, um,
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
All that to say that, yeah, I had the kids do really hard things for many years to prepare them for what I said was life's challenges. And it made it, you know, if I was, it reminded me, did you ever see the movie Tree of Life?
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
You're great. Yeah. And I, uh, I'm thankful we were able to go out to, you know, where I grew up and I could share that part with you too. Cause I just wanted, and I've heard you mention like on a few of your podcasts, you've mentioned, you know, the poser on the rock and the gym and like the stuff that I do and kind of reference to, um,
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
So Brad Pitt's in it and great movie, but he was super hard dad there. When he would leave, it was like fucking playtime, right? Mom, kids jumping on the beds. And then dad would come home and be like, oh God. So I said, this reminds me of me when I was, when you go out of town, it's just playtime, come back. It's like, oh shit. So that's not great when you're the bad guy all the time.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
You know, dads are usually the disciplinary and that's whatever. But I was also like, you know, making them do these really hard things. So they see now and they see all the success, but it wasn't great. And anybody from the outside in would look and say, what's wrong with that? That dad is pushing those kids too hard. You know, it's like any basketball game. I'm just like...
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
a loose ball you better be on that floor and i said i want to see floor burns on your knees i want you diving on i want you playing the harder than any kid out there so that's a hard That's a hard thing to live up to. Kids just want to have fun. They want to play. They're not looking to compete every day, but I made them compete. So it was a challenge.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Now you see what that results in, you know, and, you know, Tanner, he was a ranger. He's fricking badass. It's, probably tougher than Truett and then Truett's, you know, doing these crazy things and getting all this attention. And yeah, I mean, it's great. I'm, I'm glad to see it, but, um, I didn't, I wasn't perfect raising.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Yeah, I regret, um, I regret, I remember when Tanner went to the army, um, He's a deputy back home. Very proud of him. Such an important job. He, you know, a corrections officer just worked at the jail, but still it's, you know, a good job. It's like paid, paid the bills. I was proud of him. We need people who need men to do that.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
So he said he was going to join the army and he wanted to be a ranger. And I'm just like, you know, you get deployed and I'm thinking, what if, I think it was because I would tell them that average is failing. If you look around, you see the average person. That's not us. That's not what we want to be. So we're not, yes, people need to work at gas stations and do things, whatever. That's fine.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
But that's not what we're settled for. So he said he wanted to quit. He didn't want to be a deputy more. He wanted to be a ranger because he had more to offer this world. And I was thinking, was that me who fucked up and said this, that just having a regular job was somehow failing? And I just had so many regrets. And I was just like, I told him he's getting ready to go to basic training.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
And I'm like, I said, Tanner, I'm like, there's nothing wrong with having a regular job, being a family man. And I said, there's nothing. I was wrong. I was wrong to say what I said, raising new kids. And, um, cause I was thinking about what if he got deployed and was killed? And it's just like, because of shit I said, trying to make my boys tough and this is a result.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
So yeah, I was like, yeah, I definitely have had regrets over how, how hard I pushed them.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
that lifestyle or, or how I grew up because I, I wanted to share it with you because it's so much different than, well, in some ways different, but in some ways I felt alone too, just like you did. But I think when people, they hear like little nuggets from somebody else and then they always latch on to whatever they can identify with.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
So there's a few things that you mentioned that, uh, that really resonated with me, but I was just thankful to share everything, my little slice of the world with you, and it was awesome.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
I like, you know, you've kind of repurposed some stuff. So I love seeing that, but I think it's just that
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
you know so yeah it's uh and and i was thinking also too it's not just like what you do but when you have that mindset about life is competition um hard work is is the the key whatever that's that is impacting how you talk and how you carry yourself because everybody says says the right thing they they tell their kids what you're supposed to tell your kids it's like
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
as you said, no, you hold the door for women. You, you know, be respectful. Everybody says the right stuff, but how you carry yourself and then how you, how you talk, not when you're delivering some ultimatum or some direction, but just how you, what's your mindset. And that's when it's not controlled, when it's not, you're not thinking about it. So
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
question about what do i deserve yeah from life that was a great analogy and i can't maybe it's in the book also but that puritan work work ethic you know we talked about where you know you're supposed to work and i think you mentioned i can't but like the work i can't remember how you how you told the story but was it about the priests that used to work out in the sun in the
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
My mindset was always, let's do more, perform more, push harder. I guess to your point that even if I wasn't, they were seeing that. Of course. It's, yeah, it's, you know, you talked about Truett, you know, originally, but even for him, your story sort of reminded me of his, like, people see him now and they're like, I mean, he's easy to, he gets hate too. Cause he's easy to hate. Definitely.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Um, he's got a lot going for him and that's, that will build some resentment over with some guys, but for him, he lost for years. He, he didn't miss a day lifting weights for like 14 years, still hasn't. I started them lifting when they're 14, both him and Tanner. And since that time, he hasn't missed more than a day. So it was loss after loss after loss. He's like tiny, not getting big.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
And he mentioned this, we did this, we're doing this video on his pull-ups that, you know, he broke the world record. And he's just like, he goes, I don't think, he goes, I didn't realize that Tanner was kicking my ass every day as his older brother. Anytime we'd compete, me against him, I would never let the kids win. It was always like, it was always a battle. Always crying.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
I mean, kicking the basketball down the street because they're so mad. Go get it.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Tanner, I was throwing like football as hard as I could, making him catch it because he's a receiver. Drops it, punches the ground, breaks his hand. So there's like all these losses, essentially. So Truett said, I didn't know that. Yeah. I was getting beat by my older brother. I was getting beat by you every day.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
He goes, I didn't realize Tanner was the biggest beast, one of the biggest beasts he's ever met. And he goes, and I didn't know you were who you were. I thought, he said, I just thought I was weak and a loser. I didn't know that I was going against these people that were making me.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
So people see him now, and I'm like, if you could see him back when he was 14 years old, and when he's in high school, he was five foot, like 90 pounds, got cut from the basketball team, even though he was really good and most skilled, because he was too small. They don't see all that. They see now and they're just like, oh, what is he on steroids?
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
And it's just like, no, this is a kid who hasn't missed a day in the gym for 14 years and trains for hours every day and doesn't drink, doesn't do anything but get enough rest to perform every single day. This is what you get. when you're that dedicated. But people, they want to ignore that part.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Yeah. They reckon with it. Yeah. It's a, you know, that's, it's kind of a double or short because you, nobody can identify or relate to Usain Bolt because he's got that God given talent, but. and it's, it's kind of been what I've used also is like, you can come from nothing, a regular job and had success. So then it kind of, it puts a pressure on other regular guys.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Yeah. And so both Truett and I have benefited from that. It's just like, he looks like a regular guy running in jeans, but he's doing these incredible things. Or it's like, And then, so it does allow him, because if you look at his followers, it resonates more with regular people because it gives them hope that, oh, maybe I can be better.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Then like an elite Olympic athlete doesn't have near the followers. Truett, who is like a run fluencer is what, you know, they, some of these elites say this new craze of marathon excitement and these run groups and all this. It's just like, they don't deserve it because they're not, They're not elite like I am, but because they can relate to the average person, that's where they get the power.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
So yes, you get criticized by the regular people who feel threatened, like, okay, now I'm expected to do shit like this too, but you also benefit from it because-
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Yeah, it's been crazy to see. I mean, it's not like nobody's immune to being criticized or nobody's immune to the effect of being criticized. Nobody likes to read the shit people say. And he's no different. But I just would... I would just encourage people to take a look and think about it.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
It's like, I mean, cause I can think when I first started training and I was bow hunting and having success and I was running marathons and I remember the, the old guard or the gatekeepers would say, Oh yeah. So you have to, now you have to run a marathon to kill an elk. And I'm like, Nobody ever said that. I'm just, I'm just showing you what I do.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
You know, you can do whatever you want, but it like put this expectation there. And, you know, and now when people look at, at Truett, I just want to remind people that there was a time when he, I could help him up on the pull-up bar. He was not getting a pull-up done. He had new skinny fat. You've heard that term. Yeah. You couldn't get any more skinny fat than my boys were.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
They were just skinny, regular young boys, skinny arms, two bodies. It's just like nothing special, but that's where it starts. That's where everybody starts.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
footage going up the mountain with the rock and you chose talking about chosen and unchosen suffering that that's gonna last forever for me i mean it's such a good a good point you know and just that setting to have that message delivered at that time was just so powerful so yeah yeah i uh i really appreciate how complimentary you were about me in the book uh it feels like most of the first chapter is some bullshit that i've stolen or said well well look i if
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Um, next, uh, oh, he's doing a last man standing race here in Austin. Okay. That's the next place. Next race. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So that's, that's a 4.2 mile loop every hour for as long as you can do it. Yep. So that's, but Guinness won't approve a jeans marathon.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
I have no idea. Hmm. Cause Truett tried to do that too. And I tried to do like, I was going to run a marathon with a bow. Okay. Like just run with it. Yep. They wouldn't approve that either. So I don't know why, but they'll approve dressed as Santa wearing Crocs. A guy just, this other guy in Boston, Jordan Maddox, he ran in dressed as a banana. So it's a world record. Okay. As a fruit. Okay.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Yeah, I think people, I think people love the discussion, but you're so good at articulating thoughts, ideas, sharing things you've read, just really putting, giving context that people can really take home. That's, you know, you just get these soundbites that are so powerful. So that's, that's your skill set. Yeah. You're great at it.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
So, but they won't agree.
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I don't know. Actually, I don't know.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
I don't know if it's banana, fruit, oranges.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
It's unsurprising or surprising?
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
oh yeah yeah i i'd love to see it i mean um yeah truce doing good as far as like he's selling his sponsorships and he's doing like road to sub 230 or diatrine so you know it's like a weekly video series so yeah he's i love to see it what was watching him do that the most recent pull-up record like um yeah i mean it's I just remember it's a big ask, 10,000 pull-ups.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
You got two contact points, basically, your hands. That's a lot of pressure, a lot of reps, a lot of little stuff that can go wrong, ligaments, tendons. Goggins tried it a few times before he got it. And one time, I think live on Good Morning American, got injured. So did it alive some other time and got injured.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
So there's no guarantee you're going to make it unscathed through a challenge, 24 hours of pull-ups, but for Truett, I mean, he's so dedicated and obsessed. He trained so hard. It's like, and when he got it, I just, you know, that night, I just remember saying, you know, good job, not surprised. This is, this is what you're supposed to do. This is,
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
If you weren't doing shit like this, then I'd be like, what the fuck's going on? So this is what I expected. This is the expectation that's always been there. I told the boys and my daughter too, for that matter, but you guys aren't normal. I'm not, normal isn't okay. Average isn't okay. You're supposed to be doing stuff like this. That's why we're here.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
So it's like, I said good job, but yeah, I'm not surprised. Expected job. Yeah, that was it. He did what he's supposed to do.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
I think it's cool that... I think it's cool that it's something that no human has ever done. He did 10,000. No human's ever been to 10,024 hours on pull-ups. So it's a, and as you mentioned earlier, anybody who's tried to do a pull-up, Fucking five pull-ups is hard. Five pull-ups is hard for me. It's like 10,000? Crazy.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Um, yeah, I don't, I think I might, I might say passion, love. Sometimes the, the saying I have with love is like, uh, love makes me strong. Hate makes me unstoppable. So I still lean for whatever reason I am motivated by hate, by people talking shit, by people not believing in me. If somebody supports you, I mean, it's, uh, that's great.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Hate and people discounting what I've done or my effort or my goals, that. That's what drives me. I don't know why. But love is great. Support. I appreciate support. But I just think that, you know, I will... You said love and passion. So passion, yes. Because...
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
in, in my book, I talk about outliers and, you know, you're one of them, but what, what makes somebody an outlier in my mind is this passion, passion for this thing. What's this thing? What's this thing they do for you? It's just, you know, thought provoking intellectual discussions, like peeling back the onions, figuring out, you know, modern wisdom. Um, And you're the best at it, right?
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
So you had this passion to learn, to learn more about human behavior and the brain and the body and sexual attractiveness and different things like that. Passion drove that, right? So I think passion is what sets people apart. Love and hate, that can go either way.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Yeah. I mean, but when somebody says, you know, I mean, people say, yeah, you know, love you. It's just like, is that real? But hate.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Yeah. So that's where I get, I'm more fueled by that.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Yeah, yeah, definitely. If somebody's telling you how good you are all the time, for one, you can start to believe it. And then to me, if I'm hearing that, I'm losing my edge. I'm like, I don't want to hear that shit. That's I appreciate it, but I want, I want an edge. I want, I want to know why you don't think I'm. So that's what, that's what poser. That's why it's so powerful to me.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
I like when people say, oh yeah, fucking cam poser. Yeah. Yeah.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Man. Uh, what? Yeah, I don't know. What's crazy is I don't, I don't remember ever being asked this before. So what, um, Man, I don't know. Now, now it's like when you go through life and there probably was decision making at some point, but now it's kind of just what I do sort of. And, you know, I'm just going to get up. I'm going to get my whatever work I have.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Yeah. It's, uh, yeah. When you, when you were saying that, I was thinking about, um, yeah, I don't know. It's, uh, I'm, I'm happiest, uh,
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
when I'm suffering so I've heard people say like they said this mostly about Goggins I don't know you've talked to him too but it's just like asking him it's like are you ever happy it's just like for him he's happy when he's miserable so it's like well whose definition of happy you're talking about is you're happy eating fucking donuts watching tv That sounds miserable to me.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
So it's like the people that get these words and they're like, are you happy? Are you enjoying yourself? Or do you ever have fun? It's like running up that mountain is fun. that's what I like. So yeah, it's a, when you're talking about pleasure and passion, I was trying to, to weigh that out there on, on what is, what is happiness for people, you know?
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
And also another thing, um, I see you put up like 3 million subscribers. So it's like, is that what type of, does that do anything for you? Is that I mean, cause you'll never let off. You're like, okay, I made it. I'm good. I got 3 million. That was my goal. But you put that up. Like sometimes people will put up things like, like I made it like, this is my, I'm here, but I've arrived to you.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
That's just, what is that?
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
How do you... Is that a measurable that tells you that? No. Because some people look at... I haven't looked at where your podcast is on the charts today. Okay. I like measurables. I need to do this many miles, this fast, at this pace. I want this many... What downloads to the pod? It's like, I love measure measurables. And I think the, my boys have kind of taken on that.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
I'm going to get it in, whether that's 20 miles or whatever. whatever it is, shooting the bow, um, you know, now it's content creation. You got, that's a never ending process, but now just the hard stuff. I think you're talking about like the challenging and, um, the mounds. That's just what I do. Um, Before it was what, before it was what I do. I don't know.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Yeah. I was curious about that just because we're so inundated with these measurables every day with the follower count, the likes, the, you know, when you start getting into podcasts, then it is a downloads because in that affects what you can ask for advertisers. And that's all they give a fuck about. They don't care about what type of connection you had with your guests.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
They're like, okay, cool. How many downloads was it? You know? So it's like, we get kind of roped into this trap of everything is measurable and it's like, you're not successful unless you're here. And then when you're here, you better be here. So I was just kind of curious how you navigated that just because it is, it's life nowadays. It is. And it's easy. It's an easy like,
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
I think that was where that was that uncertainty. It's like, where do I fit in this world? What, what do I, and it's not even like, I never even asked myself, what do I have to offer? Cause I didn't think I had anything to offer. So you never even got to that, that part, but it was just like, is this it? Is this just going to work and trying to pay bills.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Everybody loves like, how do I compare? So it's an easy comparison. That's why you look at the list on like whose podcast is highest rated. Right. But I think Joe's done a really good job of this, too. It's like and I want to kind of adopt. Well, your mindset is very similar now. That's why he can have on somebody like me.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
who when I first went on there, nobody, nobody knew who I was, but he, Joe doesn't care. He's just like, am I interested in this person? Most podcasts are like, let's go with the biggest guest. That's going to give me the biggest.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
I know. We got a lot of good material out of that discussion, that time, that day. I still see clips everywhere.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
And it's like, I remember like even a tactic I had, I haven't even done a checkbook in a long time, but my wife's in charge of that. But like, even just writing out checks and I would just, I was never, I never thought it was going to, anything I did was going to last. So I'd be like, if I, if I had a check for like $17, I'd just make, make it for $20, put it in a thing.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Yeah. Uh, it makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. It's, uh, it's a tough one. It's like, uh, You know, you want to be successful. I like – I think when I was – you were kind of explaining that. The best feedback is when somebody says they really enjoyed whatever discussion you had. And they're not talking about how many people listened to it. You know, it's just how it impacted them. And it's like –
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
I'm not great at, quote, podcasting, which is why I do the Lift, Run, Shoot with my guests because I can connect on that. And then that hopefully helps the conversation. But yeah, it's tough. It's tough sitting down and really – Um, yeah, I don't know. I mean, maybe it's not tough. Maybe it's just, we don't do this. Maybe we, how often do you sit down and just talk to somebody? I never do it.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Like, not like this. So maybe it's like, maybe you can learn a lot just by having a discussion and maybe a podcast is an excuse that we'd never, we wouldn't, we wouldn't do this normally.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Cause I'm not going to be like, call up one of my buddies and say, Hey, you want to go talk for a couple hours? I was like, okay. Nobody would say, sure.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
And I'm like, well, at the end of the day, I should have more in here. Instead of being exact, I just wanted this cushion of like, I just want to have a little bit more than what I think. And then I can just get through a challenging time. That's as far into the future as I ever thought. It's just like, let's round up in the checkbook. Yeah.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Oh, it's the long race. You know, the, well, this race I've coming up is 250 miles. I've done 240 miles. I've been 200 miles, 100 miles is hard. Um, marathons are hard when you're pushing a lot of hard hunts where you're just miserable, you know, in the snow, long hunt, Kodiak Island for 12 days. So it's, um, though, but those are, um,
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Those, they're not predictable, but you know what you're getting into. You know what I mean? It's like, yeah, you know, it's going to be terrible and it's going to, you're going to be miserable probably for a while, but that's part of the deal. That's just like, that's why you sign up is that test. I'm trying to test myself. I want to see if I'm tough enough to do this.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
So those, when I think of hard, it's those.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
um yeah i mean yeah i've been on uh i don't know a lot of hard hunts in the mounds just being soaking soaking wet i mean one time me and roy were sheep hunting roy's my friend who fell but before obviously before he fell we were sheep hunting um miserable weather conditions super steep uh And we were blood trailing this ram and it wasn't a good shot.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
So it's like, it's going to be a long, hard blood trail to kind of decipher and get this animal. And it got dark. And then a grizzly was kind of circling the tents. And I was just like, I don't give a fuck. I'm going to bed. I'm not, I'm not even, I don't care about this bear. I don't know what's going to happen. Whatever. So tired, just went to bed. That's being miserable.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
On Kodiak, you know, you get dropped off. And I remember in my book, Backcountry Bowhunting, the pilot like wrote down the day he's supposed to come back and pick us up on his jeans with a pin. So it's like, hopefully he doesn't wash those jeans. He's going to come back in what, 12 days, two weeks to get us. And this is first week in November. So it's pouring down rain every day.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Kodiak is just south of the mainland there. And it's just miserable. Every day you're wet. It's just miserable. So, yeah. Then if you talk about the races, you're going the long races. So in Moab 240, I think I slept for about, I don't know. I can't remember now. It's been a few years, but two to four hours. And it took me 79 hours to finish a race.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
So over three days and slept, you know, maybe four hours total. So that when... you know what it feels like to get a good night's rest. It's just like, nothing feels better if it seems like, so on the opposite of that, when all you want to do is sleep, but you have to keep pushing for 240 miles, it's, that seems overwhelming.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
So to just, to build a muster up the strength to still take another step where every step is an effort. And so if you think when I go running, every mile is 2,000 steps. So if I'm doing 200, you know, so it's 500,000 steps, 500,000 steps roughly in every one as an effort, It's tough. That hurts.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Just so I got a little buffer and that there was no future. If that was thinking about the future, that's all I did right there.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Yeah. Barkley, there's no finishers sometimes, but the backyards, there's always going to be one person who outlasts the other. So that also called last man standing is kind of what they're called. But yeah, it's.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
No, I mean, the race is still there. It's just you needed somebody else to go with you to go to the next level. Yeah. So the race never loses. You never really win the race. You just outlast.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
You outlast the other man or woman. But yeah, those fascinating, isn't it? That how long can you run four miles an hour? Yeah. It's crazy. Now there's guys who have went 400 miles. Do you know this? No. 450 miles.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Yeah. So, God, what would that, so that'd have to be a hundred and some hours. How many days is that? That's over four days with never getting more than, so if you finish and say 50 minutes, you get 10 minutes before you have to be on the start line. So never getting more than 10 minutes of rest. Is that typical?
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Yeah, you could, but for how long? So the thing with these is the more you break your body down, the less distance you're going to be able to go. If you run fast, you're stretching.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Your muscles out, which stretching muscles out is essentially breaking them down over time. Yeah. So yeah, it's like finding that sweet spot. I think Courtney, she's won one of those before. And I think she was doing her laps in about 50 or 52 minutes. So just got, if you get eight minutes, get a little food in, sit down for a sec, the back on the line.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Yeah. In jeans. Ah, shit. I don't know. I told him, I'm like,
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
mean he needs a win like if if you had he hasn't won a race so it's like he's yes he's went viral in boston and austin marathon eugene he just you know a lot of news stories and he does have the world record in the pull-ups that's all great i said but you need a win you need to be come across break that tape because i you haven't had a win yet so you show me a win that's the goal
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Yeah, I mean, we always joke that... Truett always joked he got shitty genetics. That's why he had to overcome his genetics. Because really, I mean, I don't have... I have never thought I've had great genetics. If I had great genetics, I would have been able to play college football for a while.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
And so I've always said, you know, I've just... Either you're average or obsessed has kind of been my thing. It's just like... I had, if I didn't want to be average, I had to be obsessed. So I just put it, tied it all into hard work. When I see the boys, I do see they have some genetic advantage for sure. But what do genetic advantages give you if you don't capitalize on them? Not much, right?
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
So they've just both done a good job of capitalizing on whatever gifts they've had. And then Truett is definitely maximizing them
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Yeah. No, for sure. When I hear that story, what I think about is how great could he be being dedicated.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, because he's comparing himself to, yes, they're elites, but could he be a legend? Yeah.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Yeah. But could he be the best ever? You know what I mean? Like, I mean, I don't know. Cause Gordon Ryan, does he live pretty, I think he, does he live pretty clean? I think. Yeah. Yeah.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Yeah, because when I think about, you know, if I think, I don't know, if you think Truett, you're like, I hear people say all the time, well, if I was in this situation or if... or they've even said like, if, if I, you know, if they were raised, like true, it was raised type thing or, you know, people privilege of being made to suffer as a seven year old.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Yeah. They did. Well, Oh, that's another thing that I get worried about is some of the dads watching what he's doing and then thinking like, I'm going to have a child that does a 10,001.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
And, and I, I feel bad for those kids because it was like the perfect storm for my boys. Yeah. And they were built for it. So, you know, people say I'm built for this, whatever, I don't, whatever the case, but they did eventually flourish. A lot of kids aren't going to, it's going to be a disaster. It's going to be a disaster.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
And the dad is probably not going to be like living that example every day. Like I was. So it's like, then it's just like, what, you don't do this. Why am I doing? It's going to be tough.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
And with more opportunity than anywhere else in the world. And that's, that's average American. That's what's crazy. I was, I'm, I was curious about what you think about this. Cause I've heard people say that, you know, I couldn't have done it without whatever their wife or their, their, whatever it's like. Um, and as you know, my wife has been supportive.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Truett's wife is very supportive, but to me, it's just like, So, I don't know. That's why I want to hear what you think. Because yes, I think... So if, if say true is saying, oh, I'm going to go, I need to go train. And his wife was saying again, but so I could see where that would be an issue.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
But to me, it's just like, maybe it goes back to the point you started to make this whole time about like parenting or whatever. It's like, I don't know. I don't want to say if it's fate, but to me it's like, yeah, support is nice, but I fucking don't need anything. I do the same shit. Whether you love me, hate me, support me or don't, nothing's going to stop me.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
I wonder if, so can people say, well, I didn't have that environment or the support you had. That's why I didn't achieve this. Or are there people who are like, and I think of Goggins. I think he, I don't care who the fuck was in his life. He was going to be who he is no matter what.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Right. That makes sense. Yeah. I knew there's a reason I brought it up because you could distill it down perfectly. But yeah, I was just curious about, I've never really thought about it past like just the basics like that. So thank you for that.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Do you think it's like more... It certainly contributes, I think. Yeah.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Yeah, because it's like, I heard somebody say the other day, because now I'm thinking about like what it means to be a man and a provider type thing. Yeah, I think that, I don't know, it's hard. It's hard. I just know the pressure I felt as being a dad and a husband and like making sure everybody was taken care of, the bills were paid and all this. I just know... Yeah, I don't know.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
I think men get roped into this trap of worth sometimes. And it's just, that's fine because that's how it works. You know, not many women are out there saying, I need to work harder because I need to get my husband a bigger house and a nicer car. I mean.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Yeah, yeah. It's from Jackson, or is it, is it Jackson City? Or no, no. What, shit, now I can't remember. Oh no, Black Canyon, fuck, now I can't remember. Black Canyon City? I don't know, to Flagstaff.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
I mean, it'll be hot during the day, of course, but it's kind of high desert, so it could be cold at night.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Yeah, like when I did Moab, for example, it was maybe 90 during the day, and then one night it got down to nine in the mountains. Quite a swing. Holy fuck. Yeah, so it's a tough one. Yeah, it'll be good. But yeah, it's always like finding that limit, essentially, because... when you're saying that, I was thinking back to like, I mean, when I grew up,
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
I didn't even know people actually paid off cars. I thought you just had a car payment. It was like, I didn't know, or I thought like that little mobile home I showed you, I thought I'd lived there and I didn't actually know people paid off their houses. I thought you just paid rent or your house payment forever.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
And I was just like, so now, now it's just like, I have to readjust, you know, my house was paid off my, and I'm just like, Okay. Now I don't really know what to do. I don't really know what the goal is supposed to be.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Yeah. That was, that was awesome. That was the dream. Yeah. Those are called manufactured homes. Do they not have those here?
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
It's like an old... They used to have a trailer park where it was like they're made out of metal. Now they look more like houses, but they're still sort of... They still come in on wheels.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Still the same, yeah. But for, you know, for out there, like where I showed you where we drove, it was just like, shit, that's awesome.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Yeah, I mean, I just, well, I lean into the hate. So I'm always, any negative about me is being reinforced. So I never feel like a success, so to speak, because I'm reading these hateful things people say about me. It's hard to feel successful when you're reading what a piece of shit you are, right? So I get reminded of that daily, but also it's like,
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Even when I had my regular job, I was a superintendent at the water and power company. I felt like I never deserved that job. I'm like, no, they're going to figure out. I'm not, even though I was good at it, I was good, but I always felt like I'm supposed to just be a worker. I'm a worker. That's my talent level. That's my ability. That's my intelligence is we need workers. That's me.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
And so I've never, that's all. Even though I, I retired from that job and now I'm doing the other thing. It's just like, I, I'm a worker. That's, that's what I do. So whether it's running miles, lifting weights, doing the podcast, 160 episodes or whatever it is, it's just like, yeah, it's just a different form of being in the ditch. I thought that I was just going to be in a ditch, you know,
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
putting water lying in the ground when I worked for the utility till I retired. So it's just, it's the same. It's just work. It's just in a different form.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
you believed that you were worthy of the things that you've achieved or if you believed that you were good enough um if i felt like i deserved this because this is part of it um man i don't even i've never felt that way i've never um how would i feel Seems like it'd feel good. Would it feel, wouldn't it? I'm guessing. I mean, wouldn't it feel good to feel like you're a success?
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
I think that'd feel good. I've never felt that. So I don't, um, cause even, even if somebody told me that, or if you, if you, if somebody says that right now, like I would just be like, I would just discount it and be like, no, no, they're fucking full of shit. They're just saying, that's what you're supposed to say to people. I mean, I wouldn't believe it. So I don't know. I'm not, I don't know.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
What if, let me give you another one.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Man, I don't, um, it means like take a step back and say, wow, I made it.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
I felt like I did what I was supposed to do. So if I didn't raise the kids to be that way, I failed because they had it. Obviously, they have it. So you have made it. So you were a success. Yeah. No.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Yeah, that's, I mean, and that's the secret because most people, like you said, you started to get a little muscle, started to feel a little bit better about yourself. But how many people get there and then slide back? Yeah. and then have to start back over to get there again.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
I just did what I was supposed to do. I understand. So you can only fail, right?
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Because what if they weren't achieving these things? Then I failed. Because they had it in them. So as a parent, aren't you supposed to get the most, have your kids believe that they can achieve incredible things and get them to do it?
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Because you're not carrying it on your head.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Because when I think about even this race coming up, I broke my foot. I've had all these injuries. And it's like, of course, my wife, people that care about me, is like, we can't do the race. I'm like, I have to do the race. Well, because Speedland has the shoes coming out. It's a big promotion about me doing this race with the Cocodona 250 shoes. Got a road shoe and like this.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
You know, so they get, a lot of times they get a little of that dopamine is whatever, but a little of that positive reinforcement hit and that feels great, but then they still can't,
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
I have expectations. The race let me in.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
to drive awareness and to drive interest it's like i got people this is relying on me relying on me i not doing it is not an option well you're hurt doesn't matter so it's like yeah i'm not quite there i'm not quite there yet to where i can be like because normally it'd be like most people would probably be like i'm injured i was going to do it but i broke my foot and
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
And anybody would say, oh, yeah, that makes sense. That's a good reason. That's a good reason. But I can't do it. So I can't.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
I'm going to have one here on the 12th, Tanner.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
I mean, if kids don't change you, do you grant?
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Yeah. You know, I think it would be different because as you said, like, even if I had kids now with where I am socially, economically, you know, when they were born, we didn't have anything, you know, so it was just like, it was a grind different now. So yeah, I don't know. Maybe, maybe it will be different.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
can't make that consistent you know because life gets in the way or i don't know they get distracted or they they lose enthusiasm whatever the key is that consistency decade after decade after decade and that's why like i even think like me back in high school yes i was an athlete but there was better athletes now i've been doing it for 40 years there's nobody
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Thank you. And your drink is amazing.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Undeniable. Chris Williamson is featured. Modern Wisdom.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Outlier. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Undeniable. It's available everywhere. It ships on May 6th. The goal is... Hang on.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
That's why I'm doing this now.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Yeah. Oh, right. Okay. Well, I just said that... The book, you know, a book release is usually pretty predictable. You go and you do these appearances and that. I said, mine's going to be a little different. I'm going to be doing a 250 mile race and the book comes out. And that's, to me, that means you are undeniable. You're living the philosophy. Yeah. So it's like-
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Last time they had Endure, they got it up to number seven on New York Times, so I got screwed. I was the best seller of those, but it's an editorial. So just give me what I deserve. I just want number one this time. All right.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Oh, thank you, Chris. I mean, it's been... Getting to know you has been amazing. Getting to watch your growth and success is incredible. You put the pressure on me to thank and to be smart.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
So yeah, I guess it's reciprocal. But thank you. I appreciate the opportunity. Big fan of you and modern wisdom. So thank you. Appreciate you too, dude. All right.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
that was better than me that's better than me now right so is that the but who can think no one that's still even running who can think 40 years in advance right so so all you're thinking is about well this is what i do and i just got to keep doing it but it's sounds really easy isn't it interesting i don't know of any books that have been written about consistency
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
But you carry the rock. Also, what did we do, 11 miles? Too much, too many.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
And, you know, I think that you asked that question, you know, why or how or whatever. But I wonder if like everybody goes back to their childhood. I mean, childhood trauma does kind of affect us forever. Right. But like my childhood, childhood was pretty, a lot of upheaval, a lot of ups and downs. So maybe the one thing I could control was what I was doing.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
You know, like even in the first book I talked about as a five-year-old, I was in first grade and I would go before school and run a mile by myself. And I would do is 31 times from the fence to the fence. You had to do that 31 times back and forth for a mile. And I would, I started school early. I do that as a five-year-old.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
So maybe nothing was, I wasn't in control of anything, but I was in control of that. So maybe that hasn't changed. Maybe it's like, no matter what happens, I know I'm getting my run in. I know I'm going to – even if the whole day goes to shit, I think you kind of mentioned this. You at least got one win. There's a win in there somewhere.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Yeah. I've been injured and I have a big race coming up Monday and I've been injured. It stemmed from my foot, but now it's up to the hamstring where every time I tried to run hard, it would tweak my hamstring. So I was supposed to do Boston with Truett, my son. I was supposed to do Eugene. We're going to do that as a family and race and do all that. I couldn't do either one of them. Right.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
So, but I knew I had this big 250 mile race coming up on Monday and And I'm like, well, I can't just not train. So I just had been walking around Eugene and I was, one day I walked 27 miles, took me like six hours.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
Yeah, it's so, you know, and that's kind of like these long races, like 250 miles, you are walking because you can't run all the uphill. You can't run for three days with no sleep, right? So you have to, there's strategic walking. So I'm like, Okay, fuck it. I guess I'm just going to hone my walking game. And I've just been trying to get 15 minute miles, which is a pretty good walk.
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#940 - Cameron Hanes - The Harsh Price Of Extreme Performance
You know, if you try to get four miles an hour and I was just doing that. So that I think was last week I walked 150 miles. Yeah. Yeah. And so I would, instead of sitting and rehabbing, like I should, I'm not, I'm not running. I'll just fucking walk all day. So that's what I did.
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Nothing. How does that – how does that happen? But then also how is there no repercussions?
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
So where does hunting videos fit in your YouTube algorithm?
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
That's that's where. Fuck. What is fascinating, you know, is like that's what I do like about the endurance stuff that we're doing is those people. Imagine how far they can get in a day. Oh, yeah. Probably hundreds of miles. And so nowadays we're so far the other way. Yeah. Where if you if you walk a mile, you've done something wrong.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
That's what's like. It's pretty cool to think about. We're still making our bodies go. So this 250 mile race. I mean, that's kind of cool. Yeah, it is cool. But back then they probably did that shit all the time. All the time. So we're built for that.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
You know what I mean? They probably had to. Of course they had to. But humans as a species are built for endurance. So that's what I like about those events.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
You got to be either an open country where you can keep eyes on them or be able to track them really well.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah, for sure. You know? Yeah. They're so good at tracking in Africa because of that. It's just like they can stay on those tracks with no blood or anything because, you know, that's the name of the game. Keep your eyes on them.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah, I mean, they can follow tracks like across just solid rock. What? And it's just looking at little scuffs. They can see little scuffs from the hooves.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah, because I've been over there, you know, hunting quite a bit. And I would sit, just as you just said, like, what are you seeing? And so I would ask them. It's hard because they speak Swahili, so you got to... It's hard figuring it out, but I was there for three weeks one time, so I kind of got dialed in. So I would ask, what are we looking at here? What are you seeing?
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Or it's just how grass... Grass will go a certain way, and then if it's not that certain way, it's because something made it. Something pushed it out of the way.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah, so it's like being so... that's another reason why I love the mounds love being out. It's just, you have to be. So if you're going to be good at it in tune with everything, you have to, you have to be sensitive to almost everything. That's how you can get within bow range of an animal and get it killed or find it after you've put an arrow in it.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
It's like, you're just deciphering all this information. Some people are good. Some people are, but mostly it's experience related. Um, Those people in Africa have learned from the best trackers there are. We haven't had to be that good here, but I've wanted to develop that skill and just get better. But it's noticing the minute details.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
I was thinking about was there land bridges that we don't know about? I don't know.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Well, you guys, I know you guys were talking about, you know, Pope and Young went over on the boats and took, remember they took tubs of arrows?
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
And they're going to be gone for like, what, seven months? Yeah. And then Waddell had some great stories about talking to his wife about, hey, I'm going to go hunt and be back next year. You know, because it's like so long of a boat ride.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
I just know that, you know, Fred Bear has that quote, the history of archery is the history of mankind. I always think of that. So as long as man's been around, we've had to kill. The archery equipment is...
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah, because the physical characteristics of this bow are strikingly in several respects. So it's like. Yeah.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah, I thought that they were saying that no matter where they found these bows, they were all very similar. Right, they had the fletchings. It goes to your point of how did that information get around the world? How did they figure that out? Yeah.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Well, that kind of reminds me of what happened in Canada with the truckers. Yes. Exactly. I mean, they froze their bank accounts. Yeah. Or people who donated to them.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
That's what, you know, anytime I get those people in there for lift, run, shoot, and Wayne starts talking to him with the bow rack, he's just like showing them how to shoot a bow. And people are like, they get it. He's like, feels familiar, right? He goes, because that's what man's always done. That's why it feels familiar. So it's like people who have never done it all of a sudden are like...
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah. They're like, oh, this stirs something up in them.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
People who donated to them got their bank accounts frozen.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah, you see an animal, you're like, I wonder if I could hit that with my arrow. Yeah. You just want to shoot at stuff.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
I know. Yeah, exactly. I zoomed in on animals with a little red dot. I mean, I'm driving, and I see horses, cows, whatever, and I'm like, I see cows, legs forward. I'm like, oh, God, I could get an arrow right in the lungs there. Perfect. That's just what you kind of program your brain to see. Right.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
This is called a hog father. I've wanted to go over – like there's these people that have – God, what tribe is that? That have an Instagram page. I think they were the red stuff. I think in Africa. I think I've sent you that. Yes, yes, yes. I want to go and hunt with them so fucking bad. Yes, Maasai. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to go over there so bad and just hang out.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
They would probably freak out when they saw your bow.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
I know when I went to Tanzania, I would just shoot it like they'd put up like a buffalo quarter. The Hadza also do that.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
If they didn't have good bear hunting, I would never go there.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
I just think it captures what we're trying to do in life.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Here's what I've learned. This is probably going to hit pretty hard. I don't know if you've ever heard this before, but it pays to be a winner. No, I undeniable to me, it's like the people I've had on, I've learned so much from you're featured in the book, but it's like, what makes people undeniable? What allows people to regardless of what they do to rise to the top.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
And it's, there's certain characteristics of each person and what it is. It's like, they have this overwhelming passion for whatever they're doing. It's like, that's all they care about. It's all they think about. Rocky Marciano, Goggins. Yeah. Whoever you know of, if you think of a person's name doing something, they're obsessed with whatever they're doing.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
If you hit that fucker in the head, it wouldn't do anything.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah, you got no chance. Could you imagine taking a big right from that thing?
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
You just got to get his back. Nope. If he did get on his back, he would just grab you with one arm and throw you fucking 50 yards.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
If you get your kind of bell rung a little bit and you're kind of dazed and then you're just standing there. Look how far everybody flies, too, when he hits them.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
That would be a good one to end on, but here's what we really need to end on, because last time... Endure was like the number one seller and they put it number seven or something on New York Times. So we need number one. We deserve number one. We should be number one this time.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Because the New York Times bestseller list is an editorial.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
If it just goes based on sales, Endure would have been up there, but they gave me number seven. Yeah. So crazy. Just give me what I deserve.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Is it better? I don't know if it helps me to call them out or. No.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
But, yeah, I mean the whole point – also I wanted to also end on I wouldn't have had the success with those books if not for you. You wrote the forward to Endure. It made the New York Times bestseller list. You know as well as anybody – The next book, if you can say from the New York Times bestselling author of Endure, that just makes the next one go crazy.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
So without you, this wouldn't have happened. Well, without you, I would have never been bow hunting.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
I did. Yes. I did. Yes. It was tough, but people love it.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah, it's a lot of sugar you got to put in Kool-Aid. Remember when you used to make Kool-Aid and it was like, what was it, like a cup of sugar? Oh, yeah.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah. And also, what is learning? I mean, what is learning? So you said he read, he did all this research. Douglas Murray has a problem with I don't know who. But what is how is that different than going to school, essentially? Right. I mean, it's no different.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
You're wrong all the time. Yeah, that was pretty disappointing because I thought Douglas Murray, I liked listening to him. I thought he was super smart. But he sounds so good with that accent. But then on that one, I think I told you, I was like... Or I texted you something about, man, he seemed pompous. It's like that seemed like that took a big, for me, it was a loss for him big time.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
No, you were perfect. You're perfect. The perfect person to handle that, because most people, when they start getting attacked, you get defensive. You attack back. It just it just changes the whole dynamic of the conversation. But you stayed pretty neutral on that.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
He had the same tactic, but not for fighting, but for conversation.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
You're not even going to Brazil for another UFC fight.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Well, what's crazy is so he had that take. But unless you're an expert or educated, you shouldn't have be able to share this opinion.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Completely opposite. So that and I must I don't I asked you about this, not with him, but I asked you, do you think there's like government plans? Because it's like if somebody I'm not saying him, I'm just saying just in general, if somebody changes their position so. I don't know. It's hard to know what it, how, who got to them and why did this happen?
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Cause then I look around, we talk about the power of podcasts and I see these podcasts and it's just like, how did this podcast get every guest you could ever want and rise to the top in a heartbeat? When we know how it normally works, it works like you. Decades, right, to get to the top. Then some people, so I'm thinking like, how did this happen?
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah, I mean, that's true. That's true. Because because if he's educated on things, if he's been around, if he's, you know, the smart, wise person, you form this opinion based on that. You don't go 180 degrees the other way. and change the complete opposite take.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
It wasn't like you were just a kid and you didn't know, and now all of a sudden you're an adult. It's like, I can't believe I used to say that. He was an adult the whole time.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah. Yeah. Theoretically. Theoretically. Just get it fixed.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Decades, dude. You've been doing this... Yeah. You're the OG. I'm one of the OGs.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah, but I keep thinking about it. So if I would have done it, so I broke it last June, but all the things I did from last June to now, I've got accomplished, still got it done, made it happen. Yeah, it hasn't been that fun.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
You know, that's that's what it just the change was so abrupt and so opposite. I was just like, because you could think if somebody was. OK, here's an example. I had somebody offer me today. Not today. Yesterday. If I would wear their hat, $5,000. With the hat and a bunch of dicks on it? No. It was just a brand. But... So, point is... There's value into doing this.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
So if somebody says, well, your voice is this powerful or you can reach this many people or this many people listen to you. So if it's a political party or a movement and they have this guy, we'll pay you this much to push this point.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
But not everybody would want to diminish that impact. Not everybody. That's a certain type of person.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
That's – it's like a tactic of when we talk about mainstream media like those interview type shows where you only have a certain amount of time. Right. So they have to get right to it. Yeah. Whereas that's not the case with the podcast.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah. It's true. Yeah. It's just – I mean all of it, just the changing landscape of media has just – it just gets you thinking about like these voices and – Douglas brought it up in that discussion was interesting, but all that I remember from it is like how much he changed his perspective. So anyway.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
actually just debating the issues at hand just talking it through yeah yeah but it's like the thing is like who's talking like come on everybody's talking bitch the whole world's talking like let people talk yeah it's a crazy time for sure but yeah you know what else you know what i was thinking also i don't i don't have did you know i don't have a bow hunting degree
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Who's giving out degrees? I shouldn't be able to bow hunt, really.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
It's Arizona, so it goes from, I think, Black Canyon City to Flagstaff.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah, that was, well, it's stem cell nebulizer, basically.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Hey, all I know, and I said this when I was there, but I did that last time, and then I ran a five-mile race. It was 8K, but my fastest five miles I've ever run. Really?
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah. At 57. So it's like, I don't know what if it didn't hurt. Yeah. It didn't hurt me, obviously.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
No. And another thing, he was like focused on recovery and sleep. Like he would be in bed like at nine, I think I said every night and get his sleep in, but work so hard. And why do we love stories like that?
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Well, but why would... Okay, so he retired at 49 and 0. Yeah. Heavyweight... Everybody knows him in fighting. Maybe not everybody in the world, obviously. He died a while ago.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Oh, look, fucking mountains. No, there's lots of mountains. Yeah, it's right there.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah, so he would have been 20 pounds bigger than Rocky Marciano, Sonny Liston.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Oh, he died in 69. Let's just say he can't be younger than us. No, no, no, no, no. He was a heavyweight champion in the 1950s. All right, never mind. I do feel old, but it's not that old.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
That's what's crazy about how did George Foreman reinvent himself when he was old?
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
I just did it with a broken foot in elk season. I know.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Right. So that was going to be my point. So he had all the success, retired, undefeated. Pretty young, too. People knew.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Oh, yeah. So much older. But yeah. So when you look at Rocky's success, why weren't why even seeing that? And there's fighters out there. Why wouldn't they emulate his style, his training, his what? Why? If you if that's what you do and you want the same type of success, why are you letting somebody outwork you?
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
You're not going to fix it. Well, if I get back to the corner and I can't walk...
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
But I would want to believe those if I was a fighter and be like, because didn't Tyson used to say that? That's why I got up at five in the morning or four in the morning. Yes.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
So if I think about it. You know, we love stories like that. We love all the sparring, but it can't it's not going to lead to a long life. No, I mean, no, no, no. But is that the price to be a Rocky Marciano or a Khabib who has to retire at whatever he was, 32 or whatever? It's like, is that what it takes? It probably to be to be legends.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Maybe it'll fix it. This is supposed to be a feel-good discussion. I thought friends, BSing, right? Everybody has a good time here. The most influential man in the world, Time Magazine, should have been.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
It was the best. Yeah, but so why do we love stories like this?
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah. You know, when I was in high school. But we still love them now. Yeah. I love like that clip you sent me yesterday. Oh, yeah. Or this.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
If it's most influential, there should be – there's no debate. Nobody's even in the same category as you. I don't know.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Did you see that last one? Yeah, it was a little illegal.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Oh, you say that all the time. But, man, you have so many good conversations. And it's like it's definitely changed. Here's what's crazy is – you know, mainstream media with all the money that the advertisers had to pay or whatever. It's like, that was, that was our thing. Now that feels like that money's coming to the podcast realm because of you.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
That's what I'm thinking. Like, you know, Khabib did the same thing. And I just love seeing those training camp videos carrying the rocks and running the mountains. And it's just like – You know, back to my point, why do we love that? Just because it's so primal or and it's just just men just giving everything they have. Yeah, it's like it's it's one reason why Goggins is such a. Yeah, for sure.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
And remember, this is Stylebender who against Kevin Gaslam was saying, I'm prepared to die. Yeah. Going into the fifth round. Yeah. Looks across the ring. Cage says, I'm prepared to die. Same guy. Same guy.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
I mean, you've shown the power of podcasts and I think all the podcast hosts are benefiting from that.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah. So if you were trapped in his guard, you were fucked. Yeah. You see those guys who they're on their back and they get their leg up around – Mm-hmm. The guy with the top position's head. Yeah. Somehow, you know, it's just... When you're in, like, Eddie Bravo's guard, it's terrifying.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Well, you could tell, like, if we talk about a recent fight, Chandler versus Patty Pimblett, Chandler didn't really want to be on the ground with Patty. No. And Chandler's a wrestler. Like, he loves being on top. But still, he had top position and was still nervous about doing stuff, it seemed like. I don't know. Yes. Well, Patty is big.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah, he looked so good. He's really good. I love Chandler. Love Chandler. That was a tough one to watch.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Was so... So good. I was watching those guys fight, and I'm just like, I've never seen two guys this crisp, good, technical, just never out of position hardly. And Charles almost caught him twice in two very close submission attempts. It looked like he was out at one time. He wasn't moving at all.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
What's the best position for a Darce? Because they were both kind of flat on the ground.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah. Because that's what I say. They're kind of laying both flat. I just didn't know what was best.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
That would show rough weight cuts for him, it seems like. It's rough.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah. I was going to, I was going to ask like, You know, how hard is it or who is the next star? Because, you know, we kind of saw this with Rhonda when she was coming out of the women's division. It's like, who is the next star going to be? Connor. Still, people are trying to call Connor out because they know of that money that's involved with it. How do we get that next superstar out?
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
So Douglas Murray is going to come over to my house, it sounds? Have you ever been...
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah. But he could have won. I think it's that mindset you just have to have. It kind of can get you in trouble, too.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
So listen, I've had to, we've been kind of dealing with this with my kids and Truett and all this stuff he's been doing, but I think those fighters we're talking about, it just made me think of my kids, but when you start them at As kids, like the guys like Khabib, Dagestani guys, Marab, those guys have been training forever, right? Yep, for sure. Forever. Yeah, for sure.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
That has to give you, yeah, you have to have other abilities and talents and skills and this mindset. But when you start that early. By the way, Rocky Marciano didn't start boxing until he was 23.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah. That's what fascinates me because I've talked to Huberman about Courtney in this regard too. It's like willpower.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
And this, you know, Huberman talks about this, whatever that part of your brain. Yeah. That you can grow. So is it that that anybody can develop this willpower?
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Look, he is psycho. I love it. He is psycho. I love it. He is psycho. I said, we joke around about, you know, because he says it's so easy to be great nowadays because everybody else is weak. That's what Goggins says, right? Interesting. And it's like, when you talk about... We talk about generations, and you've mentioned it a million times, good times, create a sophomore, all that whole thing.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
But I said, well, we got one. We got Truett. So we got one kid who's still getting it done.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah. And when, when I true sent me this today, so this is his first half marathon.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
But anyway, that's like... That's what I was saying about when you start that early with stuff like that. You get used to it.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Because you said that with your kick. Yeah. Because your body was changing as you developed that kick and mastered it.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
But as your body was growing and you're putting the stressors on it and those movements on it, your body adapted essentially. So it's like if you're already mature, your body wouldn't have adapted the same as it did because you're doing it at the perfect age.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah. I mean, do you think that would be less intimidating, fighting somebody like that, because he didn't have that power, like the knockout power?
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
You knew you weren't just going to get... Mauled. You wouldn't get Mugabe'd.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
You're not going to be able to hit him and it's going to suck and be frustrating. But he doesn't hit like Hagler. You're not going to be able to pull blood. Right, right, right.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
And you'd have to know if you were a fighter in his division or potentially going to fight him and you saw that after a war and then you see him acting like that, you're probably just like...
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Those—I don't know. I'm addicted to these fucking video viral clips. So now I got two of them you just reminded me of. There's one. Have you ever heard of Badwater? It's called Badwater 135, I think. But it's a race in Death Valley. Yes. Okay. So Goggins did that. And it gets like 130 degrees where you have to – because it's on the highway through Death Valley.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
So you have to run like on the white line so your shoes don't melt. Oh, my God. And you wear kind of all white. because it's so hot, but it gets 130 degrees. So Goggins, his first time doing that, and he's got, you know, his physical issues like always, but he finishes, he gets third place, I believe. They come up to him and they're like, so how was, what was it like out there? How was the heat?
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
And he just was like sitting there just in his chair like this. And he looks at the camera and he's like, didn't notice. Didn't notice it was 130 degrees. That one is just, I love that one.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
What is it about just people being shredded and just weapons?
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah. There's another clip where this guy, they're doing, you know, they do these big events, speaking events. And so he was sitting there and the guys, the guys like interviewing him. He's like, so you, you run for hours and hours, don't you? And he just looked, he again, looks at him just like he's got masters this delivery, but he just looks at him.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
He's just like out, you know, something like hours, days. He runs for days and days. So not hours. What are you talking about? Fucking hours, days.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Oh, he had the world record. He did eight 100-mile races or like eight consecutive weekends. So it was something like that, which normally, you know, you do 100 miles, you're banged up for a while. I would imagine. 100 miles is a lot. So he's doing them, I think it was eight consecutive weekends. Yeah, most people can't even do eight marathons. Oh, God, dude. Eight marathons? Yeah.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
I'm glad we're getting this all worked out. Because when I want to tell these stories, I got to figure out when he was he and she.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
You think about it because that was one of the questions I did this podcast about this Cocodona race coming up. And they said, you know, how many steps do you think it will take to finish the race? So in that that just reminds me of. So if it's 250 miles, it's my guess was is generally about 2000 steps a mile. So 500000 steps.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
But point is, is 500,000 steps on your feet, that's going to cause some damage. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? So part of this training for big multi-day ultras is time on feet. Because I was injured, I couldn't train like I normally train. So I'm like, okay, I'm just going to go out and spend time on my feet. And so I did last week 150 miles, which was 22 miles a day.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
But I couldn't run because I've been injured. So it was like I was power hiking and kind of a slow run. So it took fucking forever. But I'm just like time on my feet. So I was out there to do that. I was 37 hours of training.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
That was my hamstring. Oh, yeah. So my because I was in. Like the best shape I've ever been in was supposed to, I was going to go to Boston and get my best marathon time. Everything was tracking good. Me and true or training, running hard. He was just like, I'm on one of his videos. He's like, my goal is to get in the two thirties for the marathon for him.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
And he's like, but actually I think that should be your goal. Cause I can't keep up with you. I was running so good and then tweak the hamstring. So now if I try to open up and run like a six minute mile, it kind of re aggravates it. So I've been trying to be patient, not push it, but I needed time on my feet was my point.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Because just as Eddie illustrated in that, if your feet aren't toughened up, that's your contact point.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
But still, it's like that so many steps on your body. So there's joints like... There's this great documentary that just came out on last year's Cocodona 250. And it's called The Chase because they went with like four guys. Is it right here at The Chase? Yeah. And it's really good. But the four guys they follow here. Brother looks like hell. Yeah. All those people in hell together. Yeah.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
So that's, yeah, photographer there. That's Mike McKnight right there. All these legends of 200s.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah. What is that? Is that part of it? Shut the fuck up. Is that part of it? That's in the same country, but that's just one of the key runners. That's what he does during his runs. What? Yeah. During his runs?
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Okay. So, so real talk, let's just, we'll break it down. So if I was a professional athlete in my prime, right, right. It would obviously make sense to say, and I need to get surgery. My foot's broke. I can't perform whatever. But since I'm, we know how old I am almost 60. It's just like, there's no guarantees.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Take a little break. He climbed all the way. He climbs in the film. He climbs this whole fucking thing to the top. Oh, my God.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah. But the point is, is like... That's the guy who was climbing right there. What an animal. Yeah, these guys are just studs. But here's the thing. So they had these guys, Jeff Browning right there, legend. He's won like 30 hundred mile races. That's Joe Stringbean, McConaughey. What's the guy's name that climbs? That's Michael Verstage is his name, I think. It'll probably show.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
There's McKnight. So it'll show him coming up. Right there. There he is. That guy.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
No, he's just... That's that's good. Dead eyes to me. That's ultra run like the dirt bag ultra runner. That's what I love about it. Right. I love guys like that. This guy is like, I don't know if he's Amish or whatever. He's from Ohio. Doesn't he live around mountains? Just a freak. So you get these these people out there to race this 250 miles. You don't know what the hell is going to happen.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Every person they just showed there did not win. A guy who they didn't show won because so much crazy things can happen to your body. And you cannot predict. 17-year-old just finished 12th? That's crazy.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah, there is. Yeah. I think they showed they'd done the through hike on the Arizona Trail as a family, that kid who'd done it. And that was 800 miles is the Arizona Trail. Yeah. So, a through hike is basically you're just on the trail just as long as it takes. But that makes you tough.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Every day on your feet. That's the thing. It's like in that movie, these guys are just battling back and forth, passing each other, keeping track because you have the GPS tracker. You remember when me and Courtney did Moab? Mm-hmm. So, people get addicted to this tracking. Right, right. I know my brother just did...
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
So like a month ago or maybe three weeks ago, it was called the Arizona Monster 300, a 300-mile race. My brother just got second.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Jesus Christ. So the guy who won got 86 hours. Taylor got 88 hours.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Slept for four. That is so crazy. How long did it take him to recover? Three and a half days. I mean, probably, I'm sure he's not recovered. Ever. It's been a few weeks. I mean. So nuts. What I've said before is like. Those races, I mean, exercising is good. That's good for you. Those, not good. Those aren't making you live longer. No. Pushing your body that hard.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
That she can call upon. I've been trying to find it. You know, she came out. We did. I just released it on my YouTube. But we did three hours. No, three days. We did 100 miles. Look at her.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
I know. I had Trace bring us McDonald's. We stayed at Pisgah for 12 hours and did 15 summits. 50 miles. Just up and down.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
No. So, yeah, we did this three days, 100 miles, and we did... Is this a McDonald's commercial? Basically.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
I know. The perfect fuel. Seed oils for runners. You need calories and salt. There's my brother right there, Taylor. That's who got third. Incredible. So this is his race. But... Yeah, the point is, is, like, we went, so three days, and I'm, you know, this 41 miles down this day. You get to the last day, and I'm fucking beat up, dude. She never... Never got tired.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
And I'm like, she can do her run, her little run at this, like a nine minute mile pace forever. That's so crazy. And I just don't, that's where I'm like this willpower. How does it work?
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah, I don't know if I told you this, but so I was talking to her about when you get in these ultra races, I mean, it's pain is what mostly stops you, right? It just hurts so bad to run. So I said, she talks about the pain cave. So she goes into the pain cave and that's, you know, she welcomes it. She's not shying away from the pain. And I said, I go, okay. So what do you mean?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
You're just like embracing the pain? She's like, no, I'm, I'm working in there. And so she's explaining, she's got this chisel and she's hitting the chisel with a hammer. And I said, so you're not thinking about running? She's like, no. She's, I'm thinking about hitting the chisel. And she goes, rocks falling down and piling up. And I said, so you're thinking about that, not running.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
She's not running at all. She's thinking about working. So she makes her brain think about making this cave bigger. And I'm like, so I said, is there like furniture and shit in the cave? She's like, no. I said, Plato's cave. I said, but is it, I said, is it the same cave every time, every race? She says, yeah. And I go, but I said, do you have like an extra, like a wing for one specific race?
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
You work on this wing of the cave? She's like, yeah, sometimes. So she's in this cave thinking about chiseling rock.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Making the cave larger and just expanding the pain cave. And I was just like – I was blown away. And she goes, I feel like I need to stop talking about this because the more I talk, the crazier I seem.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
I don't know. She looks, you know, she's 40 now, looks like better than she's ever looked as far as like performance. You know, she's, I think she's done one race this year, won it, broke the course record, and now she's got this one coming up. So I don't know.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
It's like eight or 10 hours. And I asked her about that, too, because because even that. So if if you said, oh, you got you're up by hours.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
She pushed the whole time. So that's what I that's what I am fascinated. And I just want to know why.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
She just wants to do the best she can. She just wants to see what she said. She's never racing anybody else. It's always just how hard could she push herself?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah, I wonder if—I don't even know how to word it, but people are so used to, like, the fake stuff. Like, even if somebody says—if you talk about being transgender and say, oh, well, you know, this boy felt like a girl, whatever, it's like you're almost programmed to be like, oh, hmm, okay.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
A lot of people say that. Right. A lot of people say that. I think she truly believes it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
No race coming up. No, a lot of people have to have a goal to work towards.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah. He's downloading knowledge. So he's still trying to get better is what it sounds like to me.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Well, I just don't know. He might be just trying to stay with Izzy because Izzy's going at a slower pace, which maybe if he was like – Maybe if David was opened up, it'd be more extended. I'm not sure. It's hard to say. Because Izzy's obviously struggling there.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah. So I think David, it could be tweaking his form a little bit.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah, he showed me some crazy photos, too, of, like, his body reacting just insanely to some of what he's been putting it through.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
When you look at him and Izzy running, I mean, David's 50. Mm-hmm. They don't look that much different as far as like... Physically, he looks insane.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Right, and so—because normally— As guys work, we talk about radio DJ voice or the fake or whatever. That's not how people talk. But guys can be around a certain group of people, and there'll be one guy, you'd be like, that guy seemed off. Yes. What the fuck's wrong with that guy? Right. Some guy will infiltrate your group. That's like a subtle little thing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah. But it would break most human beings. I think Izzy posted that that was... David does three of those workouts a day.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
And what people do is they cultivate their own little world without those people. Oh, yeah. They're like – I don't know if I've heard you. I think you – like you don't like knowing about – certain men don't like knowing that there's people like that out there. Yeah, they don't like it. Because then it's just like –
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
what was super cool is when true was going after the pull-ups Goggins was checking in and he was less like all in, like you got it. Okay. Tell him to do this. Tell him to do this. He's like, okay, write this down. Call me back. I mean, he was so into it. Yeah, he's a man. He's the man. Love him.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Get out. There's another quote that I love, something like, there's somebody out there training every day, and when you meet, they will win.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
I mean, that's just a fact. Most people don't want to think about those type of people.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
They think that they're like, oh, yeah, I'm working my ass off. I'm doing more than anybody.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
That's not like the things we're talking about, like the big things. That's like these guys have this radar, and you're just like, who the fuck is this guy? Right, right, right, right. But- And then you go to the complete other realm where it's so preposterous and we're supposed to be like, oh, okay.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
I love that. The challenge nowadays... Is who's real and who isn't. Right. Because there's people that say things just like David says. But they're not really doing it that well. They're not doing it. They're not him. No, they're not him. It's an act. It gives them this social currency in today's world. So that's the hard part is like who's who's real, who isn't.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah. Let's not get crazy. Do you think it's. Do you think it's the measurables that have changed things? Sure. Because our watches tell us everything. Right. So you get those numbers. You want those numbers to go up.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
And so you had to push hard to get those points. Exactly.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah, here's what, my heart rate is so low. If me and Truett going on a run, we did a 20 mile run here a few months ago. His was in the 20 mile run, we ran like six 18s. His was 157 and mine was 139 or 140. Wow. So I have a hard time getting my heart High.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
No, that's not his style. But yeah, so when you talked about that your heart rate had to be high to get these points, I'd be like, I'd be fucked.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Oh, I see, yeah. See, Strava's sort of like that. Runners use Strava. I'm not on it, but that gets posted publicly so everybody can see the pace, the climb, the hours. Yeah.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Being across from somebody like that must just be the worst.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah, I mean, that fatigue makes cowards of us all. It's got to be the most accurate quote of all time.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah. I wonder what the limit is nowadays because we talk about – back then and we talked about how it's changed because you said something talking about i think sonny liston talking about when he was 38 that was a different 38 than now joe lewis yeah okay so nowadays what what is what are people capable of because when you talk about the nutrition the science the you know it's Who knows?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Because you said you said something like your body will break if you push this a certain amount.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah, and he went late, beat Tim Sylvia. In his 40s. Yeah, yeah. So what's your training like nowadays? Because you're shredded.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Oh, the best. Dude, I just got this set up. I just love shooting bows.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Oh, that's nice. Yeah. Ooh, that does look good. So we had the Origin on that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah. It's a good-looking bow. Yeah. But yeah, so some changes. Had to get in Sitka and we're rocking. Oh, yeah. So you said Truett ran in Origin Genes.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah, and then he beat that time six days later in Eugene. That's nuts. So normally under three hours is fast. He did Eugene in 2.34.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Or it'll be suppressed. Or Instagram will be like, okay, guess what? We don't like that opinion. Nobody's going to see it.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah. I mean, part of it is, like, I told him when he was, like, that little guy, I said, hey, running's your thing. Just so you know, running is going to take you – and he hated it because I made the kids run. So you make a kid do something, they're going to hate it, right? Right.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
So he kind of half-assed effort all through high school, did pretty good, was like all conferences a freshman, but that was as hard as he ever kind of worked. He just wanted to lift and he hated running. So I told him, I said, if you work hard, you could run in college. I mean, for sure. And he's like, I don't want to run for four more years. He's like, so, so done with running though. Finally.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
I'm like, if I can fight this off and still whatever, still perform, then I'm going to do that. Wow. I can't afford to play the long game. Can I?
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Now, now he has this goal of running under a two 30 marathon. So that's in the two twenties, which is fucking fast. And, uh, what's like a world record. Oh, down two hours.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
But he'll get – and there's Tanner. So Tanner did the Eugene Marathon in the middle at the bottom. That's my oldest son. Wow. With 35 pounds. What? Yeah. And in combat boots. Oh, my God. Him and his buddy Jake. That's so crazy. They both wore these big packs and still ran it in the fours. Wow. Yeah, so that's Tanner. With combat boots. That's fucking nuts.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
So these guys, Truett's wearing jeans and a wife beater. Tanner's in a pack and hunting in combat boots. Hilarious. I wonder how, like, the normies view that. I wonder if that bothers them, all those dorks. No, the elite runners hate people like Truett. Like, they call them, like, runfluencers, right? Because part of it is the elites work so hard. They're so good.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
And it's hard to get a following when you're just a runner. So they see this guy and they're like, they can beat him because they're world class going to the Olympics. So Truett isn't there yet. But they're like this fucking jacked dork. Yeah. Is running and getting all this. There's articles on them everywhere. And so that's why it's kind of the gatekeeping thing.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Fuck off. Yeah, they don't – so Truett and Eugene got – 25th place. I mean, Eugene is like the running capital of the world, but... The times have changed over the last 100 years.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Isn't that wild? Yeah. I mean, you get to the... You're just not going to get those big gains after... Right. I mean, someone would have to be a fucking freak to drop under two hours, right? So they did this with, I think he got under two hours here. Wow. And he had all these pacers and people breaking the wind for him. Oh, is that different? I think it's Kipchoge. Yeah. He's like in white.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
That doesn't count as much? Someone's breaking the wind for you? Right. You can't have official pacers just, if you're not racing them.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah. So the goal was to try to break two hours in that race.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
That's what I do. I do sympathize with the pro runners because the work you have to put in to be elite.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
What you deserve. Yeah. Hey, throw some jeans on if you don't like it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Well, we have gatekeepers in hunting, too. I don't know if you knew that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah, so he's going to get it. I mean, there's no doubt he's going to get it. He broke the world pull-up record. He did 10,000 pull-ups in 24 hours.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
And so people are saying like, oh, PEDs or EPOs. It's like we were at breakfast after the marathon. I'm like, I don't even know what the fuck EPO stands for. Do you? I don't know, but I know what it does. Well, it's supposed to make more red blood cells, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
That's as much as I know about it. Yeah. So I'm like, we were at breakfast and I'm like, do you think somebody in fucking Springfield, Oregon has EPO? What are you guys talking about?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
You know, when you put – so this – I'm not trying to compare me at all, but – I was losing weight intentionally trying to get lighter for these races coming up. So I was my same theory of burning 4,000, eating 3,000. So 1,000 calorie deficit a day, which is fine for regular life. But I was also running 100 miles a week. Whew.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
That's what my body just wasn't getting what it needed, but I was still trying to push hard. Right. That's why I got injured.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah. I mean, you saw it. Jelly Rolls lost like 200 now. I know. 200 pounds. He threw his phone away. He threw his phone away. Did he get it back? I think he got it back. Oh, no. I've been seeing some social media posts.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Good move. I mean, he looks so good right now. He looks great. He's the opposite of Bert.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
He's still got some ways to go. He'll be back on. And I do have to give Bert props. He is strong. Oh, he's strong. He's strong. So he benched a lot. He beat me in benching. Did he really? Yeah. What did he bench? He did like 225 like 13 times, 10 times, something like that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
And he just drinks hard too. I think I heard him say on here that he did pull back my 80-pound bow.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
I do it 100 times a day. Yeah, I mean, if people haven't done it, it's tough.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
I have to go to like four different places to get everything you have here.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah, that's, you know, that Elon coming, doing what he's done has definitely changed the world, right? Without a doubt. I mean, and how much credit does he deserve? Because he did not have to do that. I mean, he had more money than anybody. Why would he put himself out there like that other than to make a positive change for humanity, essentially?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
What? I need that fucking water. You got to do the steam, dude. It's so hot in there, dude. I do it, same thing, but you got to do the water. Are you stretching? No. You're not even stretching.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Do you do push-ups in there? Sometimes. I want to get an exercise bike in there.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah. I love doing the sauna, then right into the cold plunge.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah, I just, I mean, on a different level, it's like when I was trying to lose that weight to get lighter, I came here, the last time I saw you, we saw you at Ways to Well, but I try to do everything perfect. But just being on the road, traveling to Texas and going back, I could not get my body weight back down For like four days.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
And it's not like I was drinking or eating donuts. Yeah, just, you know, you go to that steak place at the hotel I'm staying at. Really good. Remember those big steaks we had? Yeah. And I'm like eating this meat going, how much fucking sugar is on this thing? I mean, they put brown sugar on it. That's why it tastes so good.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
You ate there. Which place is that? Me, you, Evan, and Tyler. Right. It's at Omni. Barton Creek Omni. Right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
I know. Okay. But the meat has to have sugar on it. Really? It's too good. No. Yes. I don't think so. Okay. Well, then why could I not get my body weight back down?
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
RFK thinks they do, too. He's banning them. He's banning Bob's. There's so many good restaurants out here. Yeah, there is.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah, but my point was, if you deviate a little bit from a disciplined, perfect diet...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
It takes a while. So your body is – point is to all that, your body is so fucking sensitive. When you get so dialed in on everything, man, you really realize how little it takes to throw you off. Yeah. So imagine drinking. Yeah. Well, that's the thing, too.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Well, if you're not trying to perform and do something, you won't notice it. Like a regular person at a regular job, maybe you'll feel like a little sluggish, but it's when you start to like work out and perform and run and you're like looking at these times or you're on the scale and you're like, what the fuck is going on?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
I went I was coming back from Iran and I don't I think I was dying of thirst. So I usually take like a visa in my short so I can buy something. But anyway, I went into Fred Meyer back there at home and I never go shopping. I don't even remember the last time I was in a grocery store.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
But I was walking down the aisles of a regular grocery store, and I was like, holy shit, I want to eat all this stuff. It's fucking terrible, but it's bright colors. Brightly colored, yeah. Every aisle, I don't know what I was looking for. Supposedly something to drink, but I don't know what.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
But I just kept walking down the aisles going, I haven't eaten any of this shit in so long, but it looks so good. And then I was thinking, that's what most people are buying and eating.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Well, so here's the point. I just remembered my point. So I was trying to buy – donuts. Cause I was doing an ultra marathon the next day. So you saw like me and Courtney running. Normally it doesn't matter what type of calories when you're working that hard, you just need calories and salt and sugar. So I'm like, I'm going to get some old fashioned donuts.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Cause I was going to do this 50 K. I'm like, that'd be perfect calories. So you know where I found the donuts and the fucking produce over there with the vegetables. So they're like hiding little treasures. You're trying to be healthy. Like, oh, get a fucking apple. Then you're like, look at an old-fashioned donut. Right there. You're like, fuck this apple. I'm going to get these donuts.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
It really is kind of like the algorithm. They're predicting everything.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
So now every time you send me something, I know you're shitting? Most likely.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
What's your, so you said fighting sometimes, but what is your go-to on YouTube do you think you watch most?
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
So that comes up on your recommended list on YouTube?
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah. That's great. What is that? I've heard talk about it, basically.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
Yeah, I think I heard you talk about that. I heard that I thought it was fake.
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#2316 - Cameron Hanes
What I think of when I hear that is could you imagine the hunting back then?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2316 - Cameron Hanes
You didn't have a bow. Could you imagine? Yeah. If you had a sick bow. Oh, my God. If you had a modern bow back then. Yeah. There's two things that I thought of. But, you know, when when bears get old, they get a crease in their skull. Yeah. So it was like when you're talking about that skull, I was wondering if it was age related or. I don't see how the lions would disappear.
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And then that part where you hit is sticking out further. So now you made it more likely to be hit again. When people start hitting that same spot, that hurts. I was trying to overcompensate then by like blowing my arm out. That happens a lot, too, because most people, they have their forearm kind of twisted in. The key to shooting a bow is you want to get the grip on your thumb.
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So then you kind of rotate your hand. And it's just that tiny little movement. That's the difference. That messed me up.
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And yeah, I hope my body holds up. And yeah, there's pressure for sure. But you're just saying it's been multiple years since a 200 plus mile race.
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Oh, it was fun. It was great.
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119: Be Undeniable: Achieve Greatness and Sustain it with Cameron Hanes
You weren't set up for running success. I mean, based on just being so depleted and yeah, it's a whole different training. Wow. What would you call that? Block? Yeah. I mean, for bodybuilding as opposed to running.
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When you started to say that, I was answering... I already answered in my head, yeah. I think because you have to be, as I said earlier, you have to be obsessed. It's hard to be obsessed on multiple things. But then I started thinking of Truett and he's been, I don't know if you'd say an outlier, but like in pull-ups and now he's trying running.
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So it was like, he's kind of dabbled in a couple of different things. Maybe that's unique in its own way or an outlier-ish in its own way. But I think in general, to be the best in a certain endeavor, it's really hard to do multiple things. I could, I'm sure, you know, if I think like Deion Sanders played baseball for the Yankees, then he played football, obviously.
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So- There's exceptions to the rule. Yeah. But I think in general, yeah, I think you have, if you're going to be a true outlier, it's going to be all in on probably one thing.
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If anybody says anything to me about like, hey, what do you think about this? No matter what it is, I'm usually like, sounds good. And so I think Speedland said- They want to have a couple of shoes come out, a road running shoe with me, a new trail running shoe. They said, what do you want to do around Cocodona?
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I mean, it's, yeah, and that's not good either. I mean, a lot of relationships were lost, a lot of, Yeah, I mean, I wasn't probably a great employee. I wasn't probably a great friend. Definitely not a good, at that time, I think, you know, boyfriend and things like that. So it's like went through a lot of people and opportunities and situations because all I cared about was bow hunting.
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And so that's not great. But yeah, gave up, eventually gave up, you know, drinking, doing anything, that would affect my ability to be the best bow hunter I could be. And then everything else, sort of like you mentioned the running, that was just to elevate my bow hunting game. So it was... in general, bow hunting has been the only thing I've ever really been good at.
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Like if somebody said somebody's good at something, they'd say that, oh, I'm pretty good at bow hunting. So that's been the only thing anybody's probably ever said that when they're speaking of me in that regard, it's been bow hunting as far as being positive. So I really had no choice.
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Either I was going to muddle around and be an average bow hunter, or because that was my talent or skill, I could be pretty good if I put all the chips in.
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I mean, I like running and stuff like that, but it's still...
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means to an end yeah it's still always it's not i mean i like pushing myself so running even though i'm not you know competitive like with elites um there's running is cool because there's everybody has their own measurables right you can always get your best 10k or marathon or 100 miler so you always have these little wins you can stack up but still it's not really why I get up every morning.
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What I think about and what I do is shoot arrows, think about hunts, think about just being immersed in the mountains. And it's not so much, you know, killing the animals when I'm there, but it's just, I just like being in the mountains and being... I don't know. I just like that there's no distractions out there. It's just me. I like that. So that's what I think about mostly.
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When's the next hunt? End of May for bear in Alberta. When's the last time you got a bear? A bear? I usually kill at least one every year. So last year I killed, I think, Three or four. So yeah, I do a lot of bear hunting from grizzly to brown bear, usually mostly black bear, but I'll hunt. I like hunting bear. How do you pack a bear out?
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Bear... Yeah, I mean, bear can be tough. I mean, not than an elk, but like a deer, you can grab antlers and drag. Bear doesn't really have anything to grab, so they're hard to drag. So that's where I've packed a lot of bear on my shoulders. But I've killed bear that are 400 pounds. It's tough to pack a 400-pound bear on your shoulders.
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We get you in the race, and then we could have the shoe launch, you know, because there is some highway miles there, so we could have both shoes. And for me, I'm like, oh, yeah, sounds good. Sounds like a good opportunity. The running the 250 miles part, I didn't really think about. Just the cool event and having fun and seeing everybody and being in the mountains for a few days.
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If it's a smaller bear, I can just gut it out, get the entrails out basically, which lightens it by about 30%. And then I can pack that if it's not a giant bear. If it's a giant bear, then you got to skin it and kind of quarter it like you do an elk. You know, deer, you can generally pack a deer out. Sometimes like on a mule deer, you'll have to cut them up.
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So you'll cut the quarters off, clean them out, get the skin off, get the back straps, which is like the, it'd be loose meat once you're done. You know, the quarters, shoulders come off first, but then you still have like neck meat, the back straps, there's some tenderloins inside. So there'll be some loose meat and then you need meat bags for that.
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There's generally like multiple trips is how you get them out. Yeah, cut them up. Yeah.
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Yeah, I know.
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I told him, you know, he needs a win. I go, you need, you need a win. I said, you're, you got everything you need. You've done some good stuff. You got some good times. Of course you got the pull up world record. I said, I need to see you come across. Do you have a tape? Is there a tape for this race or is it? No, just because it's a last man standing.
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So you guys, I guess you could get one for the last person doing that last lap. We could, yeah. But I told, but so what, I didn't know, but I said, you need to be You need to get a win. Yeah.
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That's different.
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See, that's what's tough is you never know. There's some freaks out there you never heard of. Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah. So do you think it'll be pretty compact, like the ground, or what's the ground going to be like?
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And then after I agreed, I thought... Then I was reflecting, like, wait a second. So this is going to require a lot of effort from me for many days. So I just agree to it and don't really think things through usually. Who's your crew for COVID-19? Rihanna. Just Rihanna? I don't know. I got some guys filming. My camera guys will be there.
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Yeah, I've only done one. And that was, it was a little different, had a five mile loop, which you wouldn't think that that would make a difference. Frickin' makes a difference. I believe it. You're having to go another mile in an hour, which normally it's so slow when you're starting, you know, you can get bussos out, but it starts adding up. And you're like, these miles are not...
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getting ticked off quick. No. You still got to fuel up in between. So yeah, it's going to be fun. How far did you go on that race you did? That one, I just did 11 laps. It was like 55 miles. The winner got 70. So we had a pretty good climb in that. Was it, I don't know, it wasn't 900 feet, maybe 300 feet. But even that started adding up.
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So yeah, and it was all on road, which you'd think is better, but can kind of beat you up a little bit more.
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Yeah. He did Boston on Monday, and that was 238. Then Eugene on Sunday, so six days later, 234. Yeah. And he's going for sub 230, right? That's his goal? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's the first goal. It's going to get more lofty after that, but yeah.
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Olympic time trials? Yeah, I mean, that's way down there, but I mean, the 2.30 is like, I told him, I said- you know, we're talking about super shoes and, oh, these are six ounces. These are five ounces. I'm like, how about lose 10 pounds? What's he wearing? It's like, we're worried about ounces on these shoes. Could you just lose 10 pounds? He's like 170 some. He looks thicker. He looks bigger.
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He looks bigger, but he's still, I mean, if you're talking Olympic trials qualifying, you got like 140, right? I mean, we can't 30 pounds. And so that's not, we're not talking about that, but so just to get sub 230, if he just lost a few pounds and wore shorts, He'd be in the 20s right there. Yeah.
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I don't know. I think it's he thinks it gives him a little mental edge. He likes blowing past people wearing jeans and having them go, what the fuck is going on here? It happens. He likes that.
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Yeah, it's... I don't really even know why or how that started, but now he has a sponsor. The perfect gene, I think is his sponsor. So he's, he said, he says it. It's not that, not that bad. I don't know. It sounds horrible. It sounds horrible to me. I mean, just think of the weight. If we're talking again, we're talking ounces for shoes. Pants are heavier in shorts as far as I know. Yeah. Right.
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I think Taylor, my brother, is coming down, I think, on day two. Taylor, we were just talking about, did the Arizona Monster 300. And, yeah, I mean, the Speedline guys will be there. I'll have plenty of people there to help out. I do have, oh, the guys who paced. Taylor at Arizona Monster, one of those. Adam, he's going to come down. He said he'd help pay, so there'll be people around.
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So, and then plus a restriction on the stride. The thing about it is he's all the way from when he was a little kid, I told him running is your thing. He's like, dad, I hate running. I'm like, You might hate it. I'm just telling you, that's your talent. That's your thing. If you want to, you can do whatever you want. Every kid wants to play basketball, right? Play football. It's all cool.
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But I told him, I said, your gift is running. No, I hate running. I said, all right. Well, I made him run, made the boys run all the time. That was like discipline. It's like, this is what, this is how you guys are going to learn discipline. We have to do shit we don't like to do sometimes. So we would go run the mountain. I made him do track and cross country. And he was like, he was good.
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He's like, you know, all conferences, a freshman, but didn't care. It was tiny. Never, never gave. I would see those guys running during practice and he'd just be in mid pack. just not working hard. And I'd just be so irritated almost all the time. And I just didn't feel like he's giving his all. So I told him, I said, hey, listen, you could run in college.
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I said, you can be as good as you want to be in this. He's like, I'm not going to run four more years in college. I'm done after high school. And I'm like, okay, well. So now he finally is coming back and it's like, he has a gift. He just didn't want to Running is hard. It is. Unless you want to do it, it's going to suck. So now he's finally like,
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he's finally seen and, and then now it feels good because now he's getting, you know, positive reinforcement. He's getting negative reinforcement too, because the elites and the elites don't like the run influencers or, and regular people don't like people showing up and running fast times and genes. So then it's PED.
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So it's like, he gets plenty of backlash, but he's getting a lot of positive also, just like your dad sending articles.
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Yeah, I think that's the first step. But then, you know, as well as anybody, To get these times, you have to push. You can't just show up, say, okay, I'm choosing to run. I'm going to go run five miles and run nine-minute miles. That's great. That's not going to get you a fast marathon.
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embracing that okay i'm a runner now i need to push it on some of these so that's where that's where true it's really good now is he he pushes really hard without anybody telling him and that's that's been developed over time too but yeah it's like first there's that step of okay i don't hate this anymore but to to be the best at it or to be to have success then it's just like how hard are you willing to push in training right that's what people still don't like because that hurts yeah
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I heard you guys talking about him on the podcast. Yeah, yeah. He just did, yeah. Yeah. I don't know him. Taylor vouches for him, and Taylor's super tough, so I'll go with that. We'll see. Yeah.
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He's pushing with all he's got every race. And he doesn't know what that ceiling is. That's what's kind of exciting. And to be honest, it's Eugene-
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because he had just done boston six days prior um we were thinking okay you're not gonna run good your leg he'd all also done i think 60 miles in training because he's getting ready for your race and the key is dead leg you know you got to run on dead legs to do have success in the last man standing so we're just like okay obviously you're not going to be fresh Just get out there.
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I told him, I said, his goal was to beat my time, my best time at Eugene, which is like 352 or 252. And so he's like, that was just to take down the Hanes PR, whatever, basically. So we thought he'd get about 250. That'd be reasonable on dead legs. And then he also- you want to be in corral A, he was corral E. And I'm like, did you put your time in for this fucking race? Why are you in corral E?
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There's 9,000 people here you got to get through. So he had, by the time I saw him, cause I didn't run cause I've been hurt, but I went and the marathon goes out, loops back, it starts coming. So I went to where I was going to see him coming back so I could see what plate, where he was in the field. And I'm like seeing, I'm like, okay, well, I'll try to count these guys.
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So I was like a mile, maybe mile seven by that time. And my first group elite guys, I'm like, okay, there's about five or six. Then it's like, okay, there's 10 more guys. Okay. It's like maybe 20 more guys. And then pretty soon I'm like, there's hundreds of people. I still haven't seen them. Right. I see them finally. I bet a thousand people had passed me. And I,
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He's running and I'm going like this. And I just said, I go, you got some work to do, dude. So he's like in a thousandth place at mile seven and he finished 25th. Oh, dang. So point is he had to reel in everybody. But again, just like the genes with the mental thing, he said passing all those people helped him. So I guess the whole point to that was we thought his legs were going to be dead.
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based on this training and the race prior. Right. And he actually, it was a cool day in Eugene, the environment, whatever it was, some days you just have, sometimes you just have those days where it's clicking. And I was kind of trying to track him. I saw he was under sixes through mile 10. I'm like, it's good to get through all those people that fast and still have that pace.
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Cause you know how it is juking around people. And, um, Yeah, so I went and did Spencer's like what we did and then I tried to hustle back. I was looking where he was. I got to get him to the finish line before he gets there or get back to the finish line before he gets there at Hayward. And he comes through and I'm like, I go, what'd you get? He's like, 234. I said, what?
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He's like, I think so. And we were just blown away. That's impressive. So I don't know what he's... But no, that whole all started with, no, he's not sandbagging. Point is though... I think here's the key. So he had every reason not to run hard in Eugene. It was just extra miles. It was just training on dead legs. There's no reason to push under six minute miles.
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He already set a PR on Monday in Boston, but his mindset is I push as hard as I can every race. And then you see what happens. I love that approach. Yeah. He's not mailing point. He's not mailing anything in and not just showing up just to, it's like always hard.
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Yeah. And I don't want to sound like people can't go have fun and just have fun with their friends at a marathon. Because that's fine, too. It's just different, right? It's just a different mindset. Yeah. Because I do love seeing all these girls wear all their bright stuff. They look like they're having the best time of their life. That's not how I go into a marathon.
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I go into a marathon usually ready to suffer. But if they are having fun and it's like a positive impact on their life, or if Jeremy had fun at Boston, that's awesome. I don't want to judge anybody. I'm just saying that true, it's different. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, to each their own. Yeah, and it's great. You're doing something positive.
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Yeah, and a marathon is one, too, like the time you're trying to get. So I think you got 2.39 there, right?
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Yeah, so you can't warm up. I mean, you can't like... get in a groove after the race starts because you, what was your pace? It's like six Oh three. Right. So you got to run a six minute mile to start this fucker. You know, you can't give yourself a half hour to get warmed up and kind of get in the groove to run a fast marathon time. And every it's fat, everybody's relative on their time.
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But if it's your best time, you got to push. A six minute mile is pushing from the gun. That means you got to be in the right head space before the gun.
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Yeah. So you do a couple 620s to start, you got 40 seconds to make up somewhere.
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Yeah, I mean, it's just you live too comfortable of a life, and I don't see you achieving anything great. I think, like, you have to know suffering. And, you know, the artist part is a little bit different too, but I just think artists look at things differently than a regular person. So you see – maybe you see detail where others –
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Maybe you just see a wall where an artist would see the detail to it. Suffering also exposes back, pulls back the curtain on a different type of existence. I think that this comfortable life, avoiding pain or discomfort at all costs, I think is... I don't know, it's not going to lead to a very fulfilling life, in my opinion. So why would I spend time around people like that?
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People who have suffered, they can add something to my life. There's either the discussion or their presence or there's just more layers to somebody who's been through more or sees things like an artist might see things. So that's what I think of there. And if you're not around people like that too, I mean, you don't know what you don't know, but- I think you're missing a lot.
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So that's why I like these endurance events and doing what we do, being so focused on training and so focused on leaning into pain, suffering, discomfort, whether it's manufactured or it just happens in life. I just think it definitely changes you. I just, yeah. I don't know. Suffering has made me who I am. So that's why I'm pretty protective over of the power of it, I think.
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Yeah, I'm sure Chris Williamson has some quote on this that ties it all together. But yeah, I mean... I think what he said on my podcast, I had him carry the rock up the hill, and that's a lot of suffering there. But there's two in life. You're going to have chosen suffering and unchosen suffering, and one can prepare for the other.
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And so, yeah, it's definitely different because a lot of times people, when life just happens and you're like, why me? Yeah. That's usually what people, the attitude people have is, why is this happening to me? Like the victim mentality? The victim mentality. But if you're accustomed to like, yeah, this sucks, this is going to hurt, but I've been through a lot, a lot of things like this.
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We're going to just get through this suffering, just like the other one, whether it was I created it myself or it just happened, suffering is suffering, we're getting through it. So I think it does make you stronger regardless of how it came about.
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Yeah, I mean, I think if I had to just sum it up, it would be obsession. It's like... Because you'd say, well, are you an outlier? Do you want to be an outlier? Most people would be like, I don't even know what that means really. Other than, well, you could be like, you're so weird. Nobody wants to hang around you. So it's like, oh, that guy's an outlier. Why? Oh, he's kind of a freak.
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I mean, everybody, I'm fascinated by every person for a different reason, but It's always the endurance athletes. I mean, it's a Sally, Taylor, of course, Courtney, Max, Cat Bradley. I don't know. You just have to go through so much and it just makes... I don't know, it just makes a deeper, more impactful human, I think, when you subject yourselves willingly to challenges like that.
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Not many people want to do that. Right. But if they do and they can, I don't know, just kind of live through it, face the fire and live through it, those are the type of people that impact me. And, you know, out of all of them, Taylor just, you know, he's my younger brother. So we've been through a lot. I was older, so I wasn't I was like super hard on him always growing up.
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But but aside from Taylor, probably Courtney, just because her I don't know, she I can't figure her out. Can you tell when she's suffering or not? No, I can't. Well, yeah, I've seen her struggling, really struggling, like on the Colorado Trail. She's trying to get the fastest on time there. But normally, no. Like when she came out, we did three days. We did 100 miles.
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think we did something like 20 summits in three days. Never saw her one time tired, anything other than smiling. I'm miserable pretty much the whole time. Maybe not the first half of the first day. But yeah, I just don't know. Because if you look at maybe time, I don't know what her fastest time would be on a marathon, but whatever. Probably fast now. But
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Speed-wise, maybe we're about the same, right? Just say that. How can she just keep doing these nine-minute miles in the mounds forever? How? If it's physical, I mean, I got more muscle. We can run short distance the same. I don't know how she can just keep doing that. She fascinates me on just getting in that. She talks like... like a robot. She wants to be a robot one step at a time.
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She talks about her pain cave. We talked about that in great detail recently on my podcast where she's not thinking about running. She's thinking about just hitting this chisel with a hammer.
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Yeah, I know. During that experience. That was one question one of my guys had. They, like my camera guys, they come up with questions at the end. It's like, one of the questions for her was, if you could change brains with anybody at the end of an ultra, who would it be? And then I was like, nobody would want my brain.
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Because if you had my brain, you'd be like, what the fuck is wrong with this guy? Yeah. I would like to have her brain because I just don't get it. I just don't understand how she can just She's hurting. Everybody hurts, but just keep pushing. And it's like, if you think of Moab, you know, which you know, Moab, but race max one, she won it. That was the first race. First time I met her was 2017.
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Like an outcast. An outcast. I think of it as, when I think of it, it's always success related. It's achieving goals. It's you've risen to the top of whatever field you're in.
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Well, she was out one by 10 hours. Nobody even knew who she was or some people did. I didn't know who she was, but one by 10 hours over the field. And if you got a big lead in an ultra and it's day three or whatever day that was, and you're up by say, say three hours, you're not going to be pushing hard. You, you won by you're going to win by hours, right? She was still pushing.
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Nobody's pushing her. She's going to win anyway. Why, why wouldn't she be okay with winning by four hours? Right. Why'd she have to push and win by 10? That's what I want to know. Because it's easy to push if somebody's right here. You're like sprinting, sprint. I mean, I had this 8K I just did earlier this year and me and this guy just sprinting, sprint. That is easy.
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When nobody's there and the goal was to win and you're going to win, why are you still pushing? That's a special person. How does she respond to that? I don't know. She says, well, she'll always say like, she doesn't care about competition. She doesn't care about whatever. She's just trying to, she wants to learn more about herself, push herself. She wants to do the best she can do.
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It's never about anybody else, which she's probably so pure. That's probably true. That would never be true with me. It'd be like, I want to beat everybody. And I want them to know I'm beating them. So I'm not, maybe not as pure as her, obviously. But I think for her, it's generally, genuinely just wants to do her very best, wants to know what her best, what is the limit of her potential?
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so for these people no matter what it is you can talk about being a scientist a runner lifting weights uh endurance athlete it's so much passion has been involved in that journey that they've dedicated their life generally to one pursuit and because of their success in that pursuit they've made this name for themselves and that's what i call an outlier
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I think that's just 100%. She's 100% honest with that. And it's beautiful to hear because I don't get it because it's not me at all. But I love, I'm just fascinated by that mindset.
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I mean, I haven't, I don't know. I don't know that I've seen any hate. I've never seen anything. I don't know why you, yeah. I mean, and that's weird because social media, people hate on Jesus. Exactly. How can Courtney somehow bypass? I think she's just so... I don't know. I don't know.
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It's not about me. Well, I can't remember if I said it in the last one, but I went around, she's trying to break that Colorado Trail record. She was in it for four days and struggled. I mean, struggled. She got sick and ended up having to go to ER. But day four, I had just got there and she's like, I don't know if she'd slept or whatever, but she's like, how are you doing? Are you doing okay?
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I'm like, don't be fucking asking me how I'm doing. I had just got here. You've been running for four days, but she's like asking about me. Did she look fresh? No, no, she didn't. Not at that point? No, but that was... you know, that was, I think she, yeah, I don't know.
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It was kind of bronchitis thing, maybe from the dust on the trail or the heat, or I'm not, or maybe she's just sick, but yeah, she, that was a hard, hard one for her. That was, that was tough. Yeah. I remember her ending up in the hospital.
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Oh, I felt, I felt, I hated seeing her struggle, but no, I mean, that was one of the few times I haven't seen her look fresh at that time. And then, I don't know if you saw that if you watch UTMB, it was her last race of the three that she won in the summer, Western, Hard Rock, then UTMB. The end of UTMB looked really hard. She said the first 60 were okay. She said the last 40 just fumes.
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But this is against the best in the world and the best ultra mountain runners in the world closing in. She still held them off. But she looked really tired. But yeah, so there's a couple of times I've seen her look gassed.
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Hopefully that comes later. Yeah, I'm kind of nervous. I mean, I was in really good shape. I got... I've been dealing with like a foot injury for a year. And that's kind of led to other injuries up the leg. But, you know, me and Trill were running like a few months ago and he's like, you should be the one getting 230s. He's like, he couldn't keep up with me.
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And I was like, oh my God, I'm going to, you know, this is going to crush all this stuff. Ended up, you know, hamstring injury. So I didn't run Boston, didn't run Eugene, just trying to, but still trying to get in a bunch of miles for Cocodona. because that's the real test. But yeah, I haven't got to a place where I'm like looking forward to the suffering.
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I'm to a place right now where like this could blow up, the wheels could come off. You know, I say I'm, you know, I love this stuff. I say I love suffering. And what if I just get exposed? What if I'm a fraud? That's the thoughts I'm having right now. It's just like, Because in regular life, you can pretend a lot of things. In a 250 mile race, you can't pretend anything.
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So every person in the book, every person who I've sat across the table with, I've learned, I've tried to learn what makes them an outlier in their field. Why do people, if they think about this one endeavor, think that they have a name, right? If you think of ultra running and you think, Courtney DeWalter, have you ever heard of her? Everybody's heard of her, right?
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No, every weakness is exposed. It's fucking all exposed. So I can say all this. I can say this stuff like I'm tough. I can put up my stats like I did 20 miles today. It doesn't mean anything. You got to show it. You got to prove it. That's scary. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah, I mean, this one I watched. Did you watch The Chase recently? It's a new movie out on Coca-Donut last year. No, I didn't. Yeah, it's pretty damn good. But the point is, it's like they had these four favorites. Michael McKnight was one. Jeff Browning was one. Arlen Glick. And then Michael Verstege, I think, is his name. And so they were going to follow these guys.
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I don't know. It's like, I don't know if this is a blessing in disguise to have the book coming out at the same time because the race starts on May 5th. My book comes out the 6th. So I'm doing this, stuff like this, podcast. I did Rogan yesterday, got you today, then Chris Williamson also today. And I don't know if that's, if it helps me or...
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Well, none of those guys even, they didn't win. because that's how unpredictable these 250 mile races are. But the point is during that movie, you go into it like, oh, 250 miles. It's like, yeah, if I just keep moving, right? It's like, you do the math, you're like, oh God, three miles an hour. What is that? That is close to 80 miles a day, right?
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And if I just keep that pace up, I'll be done in a few days. that is hard to do. And then you see the, see the movie and you're like, um, these guys suffering, suffering and just look miserable. And you saw the training they did, you know, that they're best in the world at what they do. And then you see the depths to, they got knocked down. It's hard not to be like, what's in store for me.
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You know? So it's, uh,
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Those miles. can click off so slowly when you're hurting you know it's i i did bigfoot one the first 200 i did and like there's a long stretch and something like 10 miles and i said all right so what do we think you know these guys had done it before we were at the checkpoint i said what are you guys figuring for this last 10 for this 10 mile stretch here to the aid station they're like
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So it's like, she's the outlier in ultra running. If I think of science, Andrew Huberman, people think of that name. So it's like, why do people think of one person? They think about performance. Nick Bear comes up. It's like, that's what you do. That's the name of your business. Bear Performance Nutrition, right?
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two miles an hour. I'm like, what? They say, yeah, it's a rough one, but two miles an hour. That's not, that's not getting miles done very quick. No. You know, so that's five hours just for 10 hour or 10 mile stretch in the heat. And then you're thinking I got 200 to go or whatever, you know, wherever you are in the race, but yeah, it's, and so that's the key.
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It's like, if you can just keep moving, A three mile an hour pace seems so slow in an ultra. It's not that slow if that's consistent.
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It's yeah. Rihanna keeps asking me about my pace. And when do you think you'll get, be at this place? I'm like, I have no, I, I couldn't, I couldn't say, I have no idea. I've, I don't know what my body's going to do, but you can think about that, that mental part. Like when you finished Leadville, if somebody said, okay, now you got to go do it again. That's your 200. Could you imagine?
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No, I honestly couldn't. Could you? I mean, I collapsed after that. So it's, that's, what's crazy. I've never finished a hundred and been like, I don't feel that bad. It's always like, it's all I had to finish that hundred. And now it's, Yeah, but that's the power of the mind too. It's like you know when you get to 100 at a 250 or 300 or 200, you're maybe not even halfway.
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So you're just – the goalpost is different. Right. But man, it's tough.
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Yeah. I saw that too. I was like, what the hell? I know. I think he stayed out there and did it again. Yeah.
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It's it trick. That's what I would say. These girls, they trick you because we're so used to like, I don't know if it's just a guy or me being just an idiot meathead, but You'd never think that like these girls could be killers, right? And I talk, you know, Courtney, Sally, Kat, what is so sweet. These like free spirit type sort of whatever.
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I don't know what, not really hippies, but sort of like, but then there's such, in competition, it's just like killers. They will crush you. And it's, but they trick you. Same with, well, Harvey sounds like the same way. I, if I, if somebody is going to crush me, I want to look at him and be like, yeah, that guy's probably going to crush me. Exactly. I want to, that's what I like.
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It's like, you have risen to the top to where when people think of that, that field, your name's going to come up. That's who I want to learn from.
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I like that being that reinforced feedback type or whatever. When I look at these, you know, when I look at Courtney, I'm like, she's not going to crush me.
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Oh, the nicest.
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So I think that, I think women, I think like the childbearing part of, you know, just genetically, I think they're built for pain. More than men are. And I've said this before. I'm sure somebody could prove me wrong. I don't know. But I think that they're just better. I think they're tougher. That's all there is to it. Yeah. I think they're tougher.
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I think we could potentially be stronger, faster, maybe in short durations. But toughness, I think women, man, they're tougher than me for sure. It's impressive.
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I care. I care if you're what it's like. Okay. Well, that's not really the point to me. It's always like, whatever we do, whatever we achieve to me and my head doesn't matter because it's always like, what's next. Or even if you didn't achieve something, if you did a race, you DNF'd or you lost your job or whatever, it doesn't matter.
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You're going to have to get back on the horse, get back to work. What you do next is what matters. So regards to the outcome of what just happened, nobody cares. You got to get back on the grind and like, okay, what are we going to do about it? So that's what it is. So if I've been successful, my first book did good. It wasn't number one. I want to be number one.
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So should I be happy I made New York Times on the first one? Yeah, I guess. But that wasn't the goal. The goal is to be number one. So it's like, No matter what happens, I'm always like, okay, let's, or, you know, whatever. It's like a lot of people fail and then they get distracted or lose interest or whatever. It's just like, that's when you really need to buckle down.
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It's, we can, both those times, we can let our guard down and get weak. When we win, we can get complacent. Yeah. Because like, I got this figured out. When we lose, we can get discouraged and say, what's the use? Both those times are critical.
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I think not really, but I mean, I think like I've had Centro on who won the gold at Rio in the 1500. It's hard to like stay at the top. in elite athletics. Right. So it's like, he has to, and I see now he's like working for grand slam track as a commentator. So he's probably just readjust goals. But so I don't think he's satisfied with where he's at.
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He's just reevaluating kind of recalibrating his goals, but generally no, I mean, nobody I know or spend time with or want to spend time with is ever satisfied with where they're at. It's always like, this is what I do. I'm going to keep doing it and we're going to achieve more. Or we're going to, I mean, if you look at Rogan, he's still one of the hardest working guys I know. It's like, why?
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He's got it all, but he's an outlier. It's like, it's never, he's never done. It's like, why is he doing four or five podcasts a week? He's number one. He's the greatest. It's like, It's just what he does. So yeah, it's never being satisfied. Never like you sign a big deal. Happens a lot with athletes. They sign a big deal and then they have a down year the next year.
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But the people that I like is, yeah, no matter what happens, it's a success, failure, doesn't really matter. Even with all the success, it's still what's next. That mindset is so powerful. What do you think drives them?
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I mean, if we knew that, we'd be rich. Bottled up. Yeah, bottled up and sell it, right? What is the drive? I mean, I don't know. I mean, what makes people satisfied with status quo and somebody not satisfied with that? I'm not sure. It's... It could go back to trauma in earlier life.
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A lot of times it's trauma in earlier life with some of these super high achievers that are trying to right the wrongs of when they're young or whatever. That's probably part of it for me. But yeah, it's hard to say. It's like different things impact people differently. And I don't really know the whys. I just know the type of people I'm attracted to.
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And that's the people who accept no excuses and just produce results.
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When you think about applying it to your own life or whether that could be true in your own life, that, for me, that was really hard. Because you feel like, you know, I know your origin story, too, coming from PA and...
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Yeah, because if you've had, you mentioned your best month ever and nobody's happy, but- You're kicking ass. I don't know what your sales are. I know they're millions. But why not just maximize being here as opposed to the new building? So what was the drive to have a new building if you're already kicking ass here?
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Does the formula stay the same with the new investment? Or do you have to look at what you've been doing and be like, okay, this worked for where we were at, but where we want to get to, we needed to change our game and do this now. I mean, do you have... Is it a new formula for a business formula for success because of the new investment?
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More so in terms of like financial formula, just approach, just like just your mindset on how you perceive your business. Completely.
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just the the growing pains of breaking loose of the community or culture that you're in um so for me when i think of that i'm like no that's probably for other people that would make sense somebody who you know is more dialed in somebody who's um just better i never thought i've ever been talented or anything so as i would think that oh that would make sense for other people i never thought that i could create this environment or this culture that
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Yeah, I think that, I mean, if you just look at the landscape of marathons, they're, you know, exploding and selling out and so much energy for marathons. And then with the fueling, now it's the carbs per hour. Everybody's really focused on how to fuel for these things because, you know, when everybody started, it's like, I remember running marathons and there's no such thing as gel.
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So it's like, maybe you'd get a half a banana at some point and then everybody would, bonk or hit the wall at 20 because they've, you know, blew through their reserves. And then it's just a suffer fest last six miles. There's this kind of, kind of what it was. And now it's like fueling and performing all the way through the marathon is that's the thing.
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So yeah, it's like the gels and, you know, this, this science, you know, a lot of, a lot of these, I always say running nerds just because I'm so like, Don't think about it so much, even though you need to, but these guys are so dialed in on the exact science of fueling. It's like, it's crazy how it impacts performance. Yeah. I mean, you know, between the shoes and the...
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Um, the science part of it and these records being blown out of the water, but it's the biggest difference. People are having more success than they've ever had.
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Do you know what it is? It's probably like 30 or 40,000. It's probably, it's probably something around that. Um,
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850,000.
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850,000.
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Well, I mean, Eugene Marathon sold out pretty fast. It's small, but it's just like every big marathon you want to run, sold out guaranteed. You better be on, you better be on it just to get in.
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And, uh, you know, they're lowering the standards at Boston. You got to be faster, more competitive. It's like, yeah. So endurance and marathons and which is good because it's a, it's those wins people need in life. It's like, it gives people a focus in life, a healthy focus. So yeah, I think it's great that you're going all in on it. It's awesome.
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that quote would ring true to. But over time, you start to believe because you start to stack these wins. And then you're like, maybe I've been selling myself short a little bit. And then you just keep working and working and working. And then all of a sudden, after a couple decades, you're like, I guess that is true. That is what I've done. It happens. But Yeah, I don't know.
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There's a lot of people that work their ass off who don't have much. So it takes more than just hard work. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, yeah, I agree with Alex. Hard to argue with Alex. He's pretty dialed in on quotes. I would honestly, I would hate to argue anything against him. I know. Alex. He's so smart. Yeah. It's tough. It's like arguing with Tony Hinchcliffe. Yeah. That'd be good, probably.
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Well, Cam, I...
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Yeah. Well, and likewise, your book looks great. I'm pumped. Did you use Esther for that? Yeah. Yeah. Good. Who's your publisher? Ben Bella. Ben Bella. Okay, yeah.
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Yeah. What a memory. That'll be tied to your book for sure. But I'm super impressed with all your success. Even the last time I was here, we walked through this building here and I was blown away at that time. And now seeing what you're doing and what you're building and
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Just this culture you've manufactured around BPN and just a health conscious, positive, you're just making a good impact on this world. And we need young men like you just building and doing things like this. So I'm so appreciative. I'm so proud of what you're doing. And it's just like... I couldn't be happier for your success, so I just wanted to say congratulations. I'm proud of you, Nick.
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Keep kicking ass, and I'd love to see it. Thank you. I appreciate it, man. Thank you.
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It's hard to believe it sometimes. It's hard to believe that that's possible. But once you do, man, there's some power there.
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Yes, like not even it's a whole different universe. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I thought I'd never make it out of the small town I was in. I would hope to get a good job, hope to get a truck that wouldn't break down, and just a decent house, if possible, or a trailer. So yeah, to have what I have now or the life I have now, yeah, I would never have believed it, for sure.
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Yeah, if I'd be obsessing if I was at home and didn't have this. So maybe this is better or it's distracting me from and I should be focused.
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It was always, yeah, there's a couple athletes. It was always just sports-related. So in a small town, if you're good in sports, that's a big deal. I mean, there's nothing else to do. Everybody's at the high school game on Friday nights. So those are the athletes or the guys. It wasn't so much business-related or economic at all. It was all performance-related. So there's a guy, Mark Ludwig.
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He's a really good athlete at Mohawk High, which is where I went. And he, I think he got a tryout for the Cowboys. I think he played in the Canadian Football League. Really good. He was like huge personality. was a, uh, I mean, a male stripper for a while back home after football, drove this baby blue Porsche, had like a fur coat. So we were like, God, that guy, he's made it.
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Ludwig is a stud, right? And, uh, He had some demons he had to deal with and didn't survive them. But that was one guy. Another guy, Gordon Duncan, really good at basketball. Remember, he could dunk it. So those were the guys. It was never like... I still remember this one story. What was it? I think it was Taylor... Or maybe it was my other brother, Pete.
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But anyway, they said, here's how little school or anything had to do with it. But they said something like, oh, Cam got a four point. And telling some girl, and she's like, oh, where's he going to school? And they're like, no, a four point buck. Sorry. So it was never about school or success. It was always about either hunting or sports.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of people who probably want to see me do bad. And so I got to think about that because for whatever reason, it's a weird time in the running world these days with the run influencers coming in. It's a big thing. Yeah. But there's people who will be rooting for me too. And all we want is... I just want to put forth a good effort out there.
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I don't know. I mean, I played all the sports and yeah. So what'd you play? Football, basketball, baseball. Yeah. So I was probably best at football. I was, I only know this from, cause it's in my senior album or whatever, but it was the leading scorer on the team. We were pretty good, but it just, I remember that says that in a caption. So anyway, it wasn't like,
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getting recruited or anything like that, but tried to play in college.
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It messes people's sports careers up forever. In archery, there's something similar. It's called target panic. So people, they pull back and you cannot put the pin on that where you want to hit. it like will lock low. And no matter how hard you try to get that pin up to where you want, it won't.
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It's like, I think it's the anticipation because you know, once that pin gets on that X, you have to shoot. And so that is stressful. And then you're trying to, you're trying so hard that it almost makes it, it makes it worse. Yeah. Then you cannot get it up, get the pin up high enough on the target. And that's called target.
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And then, so what happens is people they'll go get, go buy it quickly and then just hit the trigger. Yeah. Dang.