Cameron Hanes is a master bowhunter, outdoorsman, elite athlete, author, and a host of the podcasts “Keep Hammering Collective," "Sh*t Talkers Weekly," and "Lift. Run. Shoot." His most recent book is "Undeniable: How to Reach the Top and Stay There." www.cameronhanes.com www.youtube.com/@cameronhaneshttps://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250365941/undeniable/ Adam Greentree is an Australian bowhunter, photographer, outdoorsman, and entrepreneur.www.youtube.com/@adamgreentree9135www.atlaswild.com.au Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Go to https://ExpressVPN.com/ROGAN to get 4 months free! Don’t miss out on all the action - Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up at https://dkng.co/rogan or with my promo code ROGAN GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER, (800) 327-5050 or visit gamblinghelplinema.org (MA). Call 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Please Gamble Responsibly. 888-789-7777/visit ccpg.org (CT), or visit www.mdgamblinghelp.org (MD). 21+ and present in most states. (18+ DC/KY/NH/WY). Void in ONT/OR/NH. Eligibility restrictions apply. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). Pass-thru of per wager tax may apply in IL. 1 per new customer. Must register new account to receive reward Token. Must select Token BEFORE placing min. $5 bet to receive $200 in Bonus Bets if your bet wins. Min. -500 odds req. Token and Bonus Bets are single-use and non-withdrawable. Token expires 1/11/26. Bonus Bets expire in 7 days (168 hours). Stake removed from payout. Terms: sportsbook.draftkings.com/promos. Ends 1/4/26 at 11:59 PM ET. Sponsored by DK. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What is the story behind the mountain lion shot by Adam Greentree?
the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day hey we're live hey gentlemen what's happening what is going on yeah good to see you guys again bow hunting brothers yeah we're just talking about the mountain lion that we have in the lobby and how insane that thing is so adam you shot that mountain line when I think it was about six or seven years ago now.
And you ate it, and I ate some of it. You sent some to me. It's really good, believe it or not, ladies and gentlemen.
You wouldn't think so, but it's incredible.
Everybody says it's like, the way they describe it is like, I think Ranella said this, a superior pork.
Yeah. Yeah. It's like, I think of it as a cross between venison and chicken. And then, and I only did it quick on the barbecue and I'm not a great cook, but it was that tender and that tasty.
But the story behind the mountain lion's nuts. Like that was a, like a murderous mountain lion.
It was, I felt a bit funny about it at the start with, because like the dogs do all the hunting, right? The dogs smell it, dogs find it. They put it up in a tree, but the further I looked into it, I'm like, well, you need the tree because you want to sex it and you want to age it.
You know, you want to make sure it's a lion that's, you know, old and it has to be a male to shoot it in Colorado, at least at the time you had to anyway. So it was actually the perfect way to hunt, but then seeing how destructive that individual lion was at least. I was telling Cam about this when we got here that it must have grabbed the cow like a beef cow.
It must have grabbed it on the neck and the cow couldn't move, you know, but it was still fully alive internally and vocally it was still alive. And when we got there, the mountain lion was like eating it from its rear end. And it had been there for at least an hour or two because there was quite a lot of meat that had been eaten out from the cow's ass.
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Chapter 2: How do mountain lions impact livestock and hunting practices?
It's going to grab it by its face. And all these animals exist to keep each other in check. That's the real beauty of nature. And you really see it when we saw that. We were out yesterday, Cam and I were, we were hunting for pigs, and we saw a feral cat make a pounce on a mouse. It was one of the coolest things.
Because even though it's a kitty cat, like a little tiny kitty cat, it was fluffy too. It was kind of cute. We watched a predator in the rare moment when you see him executing a kill. I mean, it was only a feral cat, but it was still. We saw his little butt wiggle. We saw that thing that they do where they get ding and then up in the air.
We're like, that is cool. It was so wild. And that's going on multiple places on our planet right now, as you said. Everywhere. Yeah. It's like if you could have like zoom in on a little camera, all these little interactions of predator prey or- I mean, that's happening.
Well, if you could see it all at once, like if there was a camera on every single predator, prey encounter simultaneously in the world, and it was broadcast on a screen that was like 700 feet high, you would think, oh my God, we're at war.
There's a war in the natural world. It's a constant war.
Just cats alone. Have you ever seen the numbers of what feral cats alone, just house cats kill? It's literally in the billions in North America. Mm-hmm. Billions every year. Nonstop killing. But imagine how many rats there would be if the cats weren't out there. Oh yeah, 100%. Like it's all, there's a balance to it all. Oh my God, these cats are killing everything. Right.
Imagine how many fucking mice would be out there if there weren't cats.
Yeah, that's true.
It's all balance.
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Chapter 3: What are the consequences of managing mountain lion populations?
They just got the internet. This guy is a traveling bow hunter, and he doesn't check to see if there's enormous monsters living in the same neighborhood. Oh, that's cute. That's cute. Look, there's plenty of unknown out there. You know, you don't need to add to it.
It's all disappearing. All unknowns disappear because of the internet.
A little bit. Another layer to that Japan story is the reason why they have to deploy the military is because all the hunters are aging out. So there was hunters there, but... because hunting is kind of like this dying thing for this next generation. There's not enough hunters, so they have to get the military involved. Otherwise, it would be hunters like, you know, you going over there.
And they've talked about, like, I mean, I know there's Americans who would volunteer to do it, but that's another part of it is this next generation just isn't hunting.
I have another question. Jamie, put this into perplexity, please. How many mountain lions were killed with depredation tags in 2024 in California? Because what I had read on a forum, so it has to be correct, because those guys are all experts.
I had read that an equal number of mountain lions had been killed with depredation tags by experts with dogs to bring them in than if they had given tags out. So if they had given tags out and let people mountain lion hunt, you would have the exact same amount of mountain lions that they had to kill. And instead of that, you would have revenue.
Yeah, money going. Instead of paying. Instead of the opposite. Right. Instead of paying. And the collection of the meat, obviously.
All right. California has not yet published a full 2025 total, but the best available data as of July 2025 shows at least 167 mountain lions reported taken under depredation permits in 2020 and 166 in 2020. in 2022 with annual totals of over a hundred in recent years. So every year they have to kill at least a hundred mountain lions. Probably quite a bit more. It looks like 67 more, 66 more.
And I would say it's only went up since then.
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Chapter 4: What makes a hunting experience truly special?
There's not eight other men I'd rather have or seven other men besides me that I'd rather have there because those to do that is special. That's not not everybody can do that shit. But those guys are. That was their purpose that they could probably never be, quote, happier than in that moment. Elk meat on our back miles to get to the trailhead out and hundreds of pounds of meat.
Yeah, 300 pounds of meat. So we waited at the butcher when I took to get processed. 300 pounds of boned out meat. That's not a bone on there.
Not including your camp, not including everything that's on your back, your bones.
Right, and the head. I took the head out. So 300 pounds of meat plus everything else that we had. But eight of us packed it out, and it was the greatest day ever. I can remember probably this season. I mean, that was real. That's what I say. That's real. All this other shit, I don't know what this is, but that was fucking real. I killed a bull. We have to get it out to take care of this meat.
Here's some badass mountain men who can help me. Does it get any better?
No.
Yeah, I think I've known you for 13 or 14 years now, and you've always been like that. You've never changed in that sense. Those things are important to you. Those things are meaningful to you. It's incredible.
Thank you. But yeah, I mean, that's all that fucking matters.
Most people never experience that. That's what's wrong. What's wrong is most people never experience that insane, challenging experience where your character is tested, your will is tested, your commitment is tested.
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Chapter 5: How do challenges enhance personal growth in hunting?
After we had called, after we'd got my bull process, so at that time it was just me, Wayne, Tanner, and James. And we're just sitting there. We had our tent set up. The bull, the meat's all hanging up. Middle of the night, sitting there talking, eating. We're eating peak meals. I'm like, why are we eating peak meals when you have elk meat there? Why didn't you eat the elk? We didn't have a fire.
But, yeah.
The meat was processed. It wasn't time to eat or like to break down the bowl, but that would have been great. Tenderloins over fire would have been amazing. We just didn't do it. But the point is, in that moment, there's no other place on earth, no other time in my life that I would rather be. That is... That was the pinnacle of life for me.
That's a normal, natural experience for primitive man. Yes. That's what it is. And it's how we stayed alive. And the way I describe it to people, there's a feeling, most people have caught a fish. There's a feeling when someone catches a fish, like even a child. When I took my daughter bass fishing, she was like six, I think. She caught a bunch of bass.
And the feeling that she got when she hooked it, like her eyes light up, it is built in us. It's inside of us. But catching a fish... bow hunting and in the mountains killing an animal, cooking it over a fire with your boys, is that times a thousand. It's a crazy built-in, we did what we have to do, and we're looking forward to doing it again.
So that intense experience, the difficulty, all of it, you're sitting there, relaxed, you're eating, and you have no doubt you can't wait to do that again. You're not like, man, I don't want to do this again. This is nuts.
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Chapter 6: What role does modern gear play in hunting success?
You're like, yeah, I'm fucking tired, but that was awesome. That was awesome. You take the pack off like...
Oh, dude.
He's sitting there by the fire like, holy shit, you're drenched in sweat. Your legs are gone. Everybody's around smiling like we fucking did it. We did it.
I just don't know how. I mean, you hope the films can show that and but gives you a peek to feel it.
Oh, yeah.
It's I would I wish everybody could feel it just so they'd know.
Yeah.
It'll never happen, but it's life-changing.
Do you remember Israel Adesanya's speech after he knocked out Pereira?
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Chapter 7: What insights do Cameron and Adam share about bow hunting techniques?
I love all this stuff, though.
Look at that one up there, 1977, a seer-type release. Go up. Oh, look at the guy with all the girls. Yeah, that's what you get. See, that's bowhunting. Look at this. This is the first hinge-style release. Yeah. So this is in the 70s.
Huh.
Look how weird that thing looks. Wow.
It was always hard to get a consistent release with fingers, right?
Of course.
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Chapter 8: How do advancements in technology affect hunting ethics?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
No, your fingers get cold and shit's wet.
Totally makes sense.
Yeah. Wow. Let's look at the other ones real quick.
There was always a big fight in Australia whenever something new come in, like sights on a bow.
Go to that image of that guy. Terry Ragsdale.
Yeah, he shot PSE.
Yeah.
Yeah, he's a legend.
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