Cameron Hanes

I mean, and I mentioned this before, I'm happiest when I'm suffering.

Yeah.

No, but like, doesn't it feel like... Adam and I, we just looked at each other.

He's fucking crazy.

No, because when I'm suffering, it's because I'm doing something that matters to me.

Yeah, I think I'm always, of course, biased towards hunting in the mountains, but I also think that men, men specifically, where I grew up and in the environment I grew up, hunters were respected.

And if you killed a big buck, you're like,

that meant something in a small town I was.

Right.

And it's like for men, respect is such an important thing.

Yeah.

It's like where we say like women need love, men need, if you have to choose, men, love doesn't mean shit really, but respect does.

Yeah.

And like hunting was a way to earn respect from the community.

And that's why for men, like when I, as hunters, I think that's appealing for people who don't hunt because they see that image and they're like,

I'm missing that because they see that there's respect earned there.

And that's what men, whether they want to admit it or not, that's a big driving force.

Even at work, whatever job you have, you want to be respected.

Yeah.

Cal Halliday.