Candice Odgers

And then there's the continuum, right?

There's the people that think that this will be the opportunity in terms of personalized education.

And the effects are very different, for example, in the global south, right, where we don't have enough teachers or enough room in the school for all the children, or it might not be safe to get to school, or you might be out harvesting a crop.

And there are real opportunities to deliver personalized learning and low-cost tutoring and all the rest of those things.

So it really is the challenge of how to realize the potential of this without...

you know, being subjected to all the harms.

And I think the other thing that we know from just years and years of comms research is anytime a new technology rolls out, it will amplify inequalities because people who are positioned and families who are positioned to tailor this for their young people and to use it in ways that will enhance learning and, you know, prospects in the job market will do that, right?

And so if we don't design from the beginning in ways that brings

all our young people along around digital literacy and training and safety, then we're going to have even bigger gaps within education, mental health and other things that we care about.

Yes, yes, and yes.

And so we need to be moving our bodies.

Our children need to be moving our bodies.

But again, as you know, it's easy to blame the phone for us just sitting here all day at the screen.

And it's harder to look at kind of ourselves of why didn't we go for that run this morning?

Or why are we getting rid of phys ed in schools?

Or why are we kicking teens out of skateboard parks where they're active and fun?

You know, getting some exercise.

And so it is one of these things where in the same way that we blamed the obesity epidemic on phones, right, that was for among children, that was increasing too.

long before.

And we know that, you know, in American culture, for sure, sugary foods and drinks were a big part of that story that shutting down and reducing phys ed in schools was a big part of that.