Captain Ron Janix

I've been involved in it since like 2015, 16. I was like a host, and I got to know the old owners, and I would host and participate. And so I've been going there. It's been my favorite week of the year for about 10 years. Is there anything else that you do? Are you a Burning Man guy? No. I've never done Burning Man. Now, I did do, you know, Contact in the Desert used to be like Burning Man.

I've been involved in it since like 2015, 16. I was like a host, and I got to know the old owners, and I would host and participate. And so I've been going there. It's been my favorite week of the year for about 10 years. Is there anything else that you do? Are you a Burning Man guy? No. I've never done Burning Man. Now, I did do, you know, Contact in the Desert used to be like Burning Man.

It was literally physically in the desert. It was at Joshua Tree State Park. Cool. Literally. And you'd walk from like Little Hut to Little Hut to see the different speakers. It was 120 degrees outside. Yeah. Because it's in the desert. You're literally walking over cactus. Literally. And Joshua Trees. Yeah.

It was literally physically in the desert. It was at Joshua Tree State Park. Cool. Literally. And you'd walk from like Little Hut to Little Hut to see the different speakers. It was 120 degrees outside. Yeah. Because it's in the desert. You're literally walking over cactus. Literally. And Joshua Trees. Yeah.

He's got nice shoes. Norrie and those guys have been going the whole time. They went out to the desert. Absolutely. Knapp's still legit, though.

He's got nice shoes. Norrie and those guys have been going the whole time. They went out to the desert. Absolutely. Knapp's still legit, though.

Knapp's one of my favorite guys in the whole field, for sure.

Knapp's one of my favorite guys in the whole field, for sure.

He's a genuine investigator. We might get invited to his home. Great. We're trying to force it. He's in Vegas. Have you ever been? Not to his house, but I've seen him in Vegas.

He's a genuine investigator. We might get invited to his home. Great. We're trying to force it. He's in Vegas. Have you ever been? Not to his house, but I've seen him in Vegas.

You can digest a lot in those five days. That's how it was for me. I mean, when I first went to that, I saw a flyer once and all these names were on it, like Van Dan again.

You can digest a lot in those five days. That's how it was for me. I mean, when I first went to that, I saw a flyer once and all these names were on it, like Van Dan again.

Those guys like, I got to go see this. And then it was just like so much thrown at me at once. You can really ramp up your knowledge.

Those guys like, I got to go see this. And then it was just like so much thrown at me at once. You can really ramp up your knowledge.

quickly in five days did you did you always were you always into ufos like what got you to all to all this you know i never had an experience i'm not an experiencer or anything like that but i've always had a curiosity to that i always like things that are unknown i like those shows in search of anything that's like that i liked art bell if you guys remember art bell he's my patron saint

quickly in five days did you did you always were you always into ufos like what got you to all to all this you know i never had an experience i'm not an experiencer or anything like that but i've always had a curiosity to that i always like things that are unknown i like those shows in search of anything that's like that i liked art bell if you guys remember art bell he's my patron saint

There you go. I loved that stuff. And I kind of fell into a buddy of mine who had a podcast about UFOs. He's like, you're really into this. Why don't you come on? And then we did Truth Be Told together for years and years and years. So I just, and you know, the more you do it, every time you interview somebody, you learn that much more.

There you go. I loved that stuff. And I kind of fell into a buddy of mine who had a podcast about UFOs. He's like, you're really into this. Why don't you come on? And then we did Truth Be Told together for years and years and years. So I just, and you know, the more you do it, every time you interview somebody, you learn that much more.

Maybe you read their book before they come on, or you read stuff about them, you watch their lectures, and you just, gross, gross, gross, gross.

Maybe you read their book before they come on, or you read stuff about them, you watch their lectures, and you just, gross, gross, gross, gross.

You know, it's just one of those things. I was a personal assistant for 20 years, working for celebrities in Hollywood, so I I never really was in front of the camera or any of that.

You know, it's just one of those things. I was a personal assistant for 20 years, working for celebrities in Hollywood, so I I never really was in front of the camera or any of that.

And I'm the behind-the-scenes guy, absolutely. You know, I was always behind the scenes. But it doesn't bother me. I'm open to either role. You'd never guess.

And I'm the behind-the-scenes guy, absolutely. You know, I was always behind the scenes. But it doesn't bother me. I'm open to either role. You'd never guess.

You know, I've been doing this now for about 14, 15 years. I've interviewed all these guys. I've got to know some of them and become friendly with them. And we almost feels like to us that Contact in the Desert is sort of like a banquet for a community. You know, it's almost like an annual thing that we know we all go there. We all meet here. What have you been working on this year?

You know, I've been doing this now for about 14, 15 years. I've interviewed all these guys. I've got to know some of them and become friendly with them. And we almost feels like to us that Contact in the Desert is sort of like a banquet for a community. You know, it's almost like an annual thing that we know we all go there. We all meet here. What have you been working on this year?

What have you been doing? You know, a lot of these guys know each other. Some of them don't see each other until Contact next year. I feel like there should be a yearbook. Almost.

What have you been doing? You know, a lot of these guys know each other. Some of them don't see each other until Contact next year. I feel like there should be a yearbook. Almost.

Well, I'll tell you what. My whole life, I am right here, man. I am right in the middle. I am the middle of all of this. So I'm very skeptical, but I'm very open-minded. I am... A lot of these guys have gone on some of these other shows and they want me to say provocative stuff. They're like, what's the craziest thing you'll say?

Well, I'll tell you what. My whole life, I am right here, man. I am right in the middle. I am the middle of all of this. So I'm very skeptical, but I'm very open-minded. I am... A lot of these guys have gone on some of these other shows and they want me to say provocative stuff. They're like, what's the craziest thing you'll say?

And I'm like, you got the wrong guy. I'm not that guy.

And I'm like, you got the wrong guy. I'm not that guy.

Well done. Now, I will say this. I will say in the 15-year period that we're talking about, I have...

Well done. Now, I will say this. I will say in the 15-year period that we're talking about, I have...

moved more towards belief that there's definitely something going on I've always thought there's something going on now I really feel you know what there's more to this than we see because it's one of those things you can't have a cursory knowledge of UFOs like if you talk to somebody on the street oh yeah I've heard of Roswell you don't know about UFOs when you interview these guys when you read these books when you deep dive into this it's a layered onion as you know so you start getting more and more knowledge in this area there's some serious shit going on here

moved more towards belief that there's definitely something going on I've always thought there's something going on now I really feel you know what there's more to this than we see because it's one of those things you can't have a cursory knowledge of UFOs like if you talk to somebody on the street oh yeah I've heard of Roswell you don't know about UFOs when you interview these guys when you read these books when you deep dive into this it's a layered onion as you know so you start getting more and more knowledge in this area there's some serious shit going on here

And, you know, I've had the honor of talking to people like Avi Loeb. Yes. You don't get to be the top of astronomy at Harvard without knowing something. And he says it's most likely that somebody is going to be coming here. Why is he saying that? I give credence to these guys where I think some people dismiss those guys. And that's not right. Yeah.

And, you know, I've had the honor of talking to people like Avi Loeb. Yes. You don't get to be the top of astronomy at Harvard without knowing something. And he says it's most likely that somebody is going to be coming here. Why is he saying that? I give credence to these guys where I think some people dismiss those guys. And that's not right. Yeah.

OK, I'll tell you right now. I hate this because it's the cliche and I answer it the same always. But it is Roswell. And if you read the Roswell books that Don Schmidt and Tom Carey have put together. Their research is incredible, and they've interviewed these guys over and over, and they all fit into this perfect narrative.

OK, I'll tell you right now. I hate this because it's the cliche and I answer it the same always. But it is Roswell. And if you read the Roswell books that Don Schmidt and Tom Carey have put together. Their research is incredible, and they've interviewed these guys over and over, and they all fit into this perfect narrative.

I mean, the idea that they interview the guy that runs the funeral home in that town, and at that night that Roswell crashed, he got a call at 3 in the morning, and we need caskets. Bring him out here. Well, is there a car crash? Don't worry about it. Just bring him over. Well, I mean, that just fits so perfectly into the story. Who's going to make that up? Who's going to think of this?

I mean, the idea that they interview the guy that runs the funeral home in that town, and at that night that Roswell crashed, he got a call at 3 in the morning, and we need caskets. Bring him out here. Well, is there a car crash? Don't worry about it. Just bring him over. Well, I mean, that just fits so perfectly into the story. Who's going to make that up? Who's going to think of this?

And Art Bell read the deathbed confession of that colonel. He says, I wrote this for my granddaughter to know that we're not alone in the universe because I saw the bodies and I saw the ship and I saw this, but I didn't want any of the bullshit and I was threatened. Why would somebody do that? They wouldn't do that.

And Art Bell read the deathbed confession of that colonel. He says, I wrote this for my granddaughter to know that we're not alone in the universe because I saw the bodies and I saw the ship and I saw this, but I didn't want any of the bullshit and I was threatened. Why would somebody do that? They wouldn't do that.

You do it for the money. You want to get fame. You want to get a book. Not that anybody makes any money on this shit, but they think that.

You do it for the money. You want to get fame. You want to get a book. Not that anybody makes any money on this shit, but they think that.

So somebody like that, to me, that's compelling to me. I don't know why people aren't more compelled by some of these things. John Mack, you guys familiar with John Mack? Yes. head of psychiatry at Harvard, another guy, who went to look at this phenomenon and said, I'm gonna explain, since he's at the top of psychiatry in the world.

So somebody like that, to me, that's compelling to me. I don't know why people aren't more compelled by some of these things. John Mack, you guys familiar with John Mack? Yes. head of psychiatry at Harvard, another guy, who went to look at this phenomenon and said, I'm gonna explain, since he's at the top of psychiatry in the world.

So why do we take this guy as being at the top of his game and he's this highly respected guy and then he sets out to say, I'm going to figure out what's wrong with these people. It must be another phenomenon. And then he looked into it and he said, no, that's not what it is. Something really is happening to them.

So why do we take this guy as being at the top of his game and he's this highly respected guy and then he sets out to say, I'm going to figure out what's wrong with these people. It must be another phenomenon. And then he looked into it and he said, no, that's not what it is. Something really is happening to them.

So if this guy's the top of his class, top in the world of this, why don't we then take his answer? All of a sudden, he's crazy. Yeah. That must be nonsense. And he's a professional bullshit detector. That's bullshit to me. I can't stand that. If you guys can't take John Mack at his word or Avi Loeb at his word, then why do we even have academia? Why do these guys raise to that level?

So if this guy's the top of his class, top in the world of this, why don't we then take his answer? All of a sudden, he's crazy. Yeah. That must be nonsense. And he's a professional bullshit detector. That's bullshit to me. I can't stand that. If you guys can't take John Mack at his word or Avi Loeb at his word, then why do we even have academia? Why do these guys raise to that level?

That does occasionally happen to me. What happens more often to me, see if this ever happens to you guys. I'll meet somebody I don't know or I'll be wherever and maybe they find out what I do or they ask what I do and I tell them. And they'll immediately be like, well, no, I don't believe in any of that nonsense. That's all bullshit. I swear to God I've told the story a hundred times.

That does occasionally happen to me. What happens more often to me, see if this ever happens to you guys. I'll meet somebody I don't know or I'll be wherever and maybe they find out what I do or they ask what I do and I tell them. And they'll immediately be like, well, no, I don't believe in any of that nonsense. That's all bullshit. I swear to God I've told the story a hundred times.

I swear it's true. They do that old Columbo routine where they go, no, no, that's all. You know, there's this one time. Oh, yeah, dude. I was up late at night. My dad and I were fishing. It was dark. And this thing came across the sky. Wait a minute. A minute ago, this was not. And then you have a personal. I don't even have that. Yeah, they have it.

I swear it's true. They do that old Columbo routine where they go, no, no, that's all. You know, there's this one time. Oh, yeah, dude. I was up late at night. My dad and I were fishing. It was dark. And this thing came across the sky. Wait a minute. A minute ago, this was not. And then you have a personal. I don't even have that. Yeah, they have it.

It's very common that people have an experience.

It's very common that people have an experience.

Or my mom told me a story when I was a little girl. You know, you hear these things. It's amazing how prolific that is.

Or my mom told me a story when I was a little girl. You know, you hear these things. It's amazing how prolific that is.

No, I'm not that guy. I'm somebody that puts credence into what Avi Loeb says, credence into John Mack says. I think Travis Walton is awesome. Yeah. I got to know Travis Walton. I did a whole special thing on his 45th anniversary. I brought his brother back in. I brought the original people in. We had a big thing.

No, I'm not that guy. I'm somebody that puts credence into what Avi Loeb says, credence into John Mack says. I think Travis Walton is awesome. Yeah. I got to know Travis Walton. I did a whole special thing on his 45th anniversary. I brought his brother back in. I brought the original people in. We had a big thing.

All of this is plausible to me. All of this makes sense. Exactly those guys would be like that. Of course those guys would take off. Of course they'd be scared. All of it's very plausible to me. Even Roswell's plausible. And there's so many of these ancillary things that fit in. The Travis Walton case, it's also great that there's one incident. Yes.

All of this is plausible to me. All of this makes sense. Exactly those guys would be like that. Of course those guys would take off. Of course they'd be scared. All of it's very plausible to me. Even Roswell's plausible. And there's so many of these ancillary things that fit in. The Travis Walton case, it's also great that there's one incident. Yes.

I'll tell you another thing for me personally that I probably shouldn't say because this will bite me in the ass. But... When you come to me and you're Travis Walton and you say, listen, this one day, this one thing happened to me. I was out in the woods. The ship was there. I got beamed on and that was it. Maybe lightning strikes.

I'll tell you another thing for me personally that I probably shouldn't say because this will bite me in the ass. But... When you come to me and you're Travis Walton and you say, listen, this one day, this one thing happened to me. I was out in the woods. The ship was there. I got beamed on and that was it. Maybe lightning strikes.

It's these guys I can't stand that, oh, you know, I've been to Mars and I've worked on alien bodies and I've been underground on spaceships and I've been underground on Earth with the military working on this and I've operated on alien bodies and I've got implants.

It's these guys I can't stand that, oh, you know, I've been to Mars and I've worked on alien bodies and I've been underground on spaceships and I've been underground on Earth with the military working on this and I've operated on alien bodies and I've got implants.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Sure.

Sure.

It could be, you know, MK Ultra type stuff where they fuck with people, which they have done and they've come out and it's proven that they've done these kind of things. So, you know, I don't like to dismiss anybody's story completely out of hand because, you know, maybe these guys that I'm referring to. Maybe it's genuine. Maybe that's possible. I don't lean that it is.

It could be, you know, MK Ultra type stuff where they fuck with people, which they have done and they've come out and it's proven that they've done these kind of things. So, you know, I don't like to dismiss anybody's story completely out of hand because, you know, maybe these guys that I'm referring to. Maybe it's genuine. Maybe that's possible. I don't lean that it is.

I wouldn't bet a nickel that it is. I don't think that is. It feels very disingenuous. That's a one in a billion chance that something could happen to you. You've had nine of those happen to you. Now the math is in the multi-trillions, and that's hard. It's like you, Philip Schneider, you're the special one. You know what I mean? It's hard.

I wouldn't bet a nickel that it is. I don't think that is. It feels very disingenuous. That's a one in a billion chance that something could happen to you. You've had nine of those happen to you. Now the math is in the multi-trillions, and that's hard. It's like you, Philip Schneider, you're the special one. You know what I mean? It's hard.

And you shot him, and you got away, and these other guys came, and...

And you shot him, and you got away, and these other guys came, and...

Guess what sucks? What? Now you add misinformation. You have misidentification. Oh, yeah. Which is 95% of the cases. But then you have misinformation. Then you have intentional Richard Doty disinformation. Now that's really clouding the water. So it makes it even harder to get to the truth. I always think that a lot of these things, there's 10% truth in it. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah.

Guess what sucks? What? Now you add misinformation. You have misidentification. Oh, yeah. Which is 95% of the cases. But then you have misinformation. Then you have intentional Richard Doty disinformation. Now that's really clouding the water. So it makes it even harder to get to the truth. I always think that a lot of these things, there's 10% truth in it. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah.

And then when I hear it over and over, I mean, why are these abduction stories throughout history... Word for word. If you ever read Communion, there's some great pieces in Communion where Whitley describes, he writes passages that people wrote hundreds of years ago that sound like an alien abduction case from today.

And then when I hear it over and over, I mean, why are these abduction stories throughout history... Word for word. If you ever read Communion, there's some great pieces in Communion where Whitley describes, he writes passages that people wrote hundreds of years ago that sound like an alien abduction case from today.

At Contact in the Desert? Yeah. I don't think they fucked with it at all. But, I mean, I've heard from many people, including Nick Pope, that there are DOD officials that have shown up at Contact in the Desert. And it makes perfect sense to me. Do you know what I think? What do you guys think of Arrow?

At Contact in the Desert? Yeah. I don't think they fucked with it at all. But, I mean, I've heard from many people, including Nick Pope, that there are DOD officials that have shown up at Contact in the Desert. And it makes perfect sense to me. Do you know what I think? What do you guys think of Arrow?

Oh, you mean like every single person in ufology? You guys can edit that right out.

Oh, you mean like every single person in ufology? You guys can edit that right out.

But anyway, something like Arrow to me, which is garbage. I don't think it's to share the information with us. It's I want to see what you guys have.

But anyway, something like Arrow to me, which is garbage. I don't think it's to share the information with us. It's I want to see what you guys have.

They want to collect everything so that they know what people have.

They want to collect everything so that they know what people have.

Right. Why are there these $80 million programs that, oh, there's nothing to see here. If there's nothing to see, okay, not only that, adding exactly to what you said, Henry. So in 2023, they had the Schumer bill, the UAP disclosure bill.

Right. Why are there these $80 million programs that, oh, there's nothing to see here. If there's nothing to see, okay, not only that, adding exactly to what you said, Henry. So in 2023, they had the Schumer bill, the UAP disclosure bill.

And then in December, they gutted it. They took all the teeth out of it. Wait a minute. If there's nothing to hide here, why do you need to gut this bill? I have... Well, they say it's to protect the special cameras, to protect the special ways that they... Bullshit. There are no Bigfoot living in my apartment.

And then in December, they gutted it. They took all the teeth out of it. Wait a minute. If there's nothing to hide here, why do you need to gut this bill? I have... Well, they say it's to protect the special cameras, to protect the special ways that they... Bullshit. There are no Bigfoot living in my apartment.

And if you want to send a bill that says I'm going to look in your apartment for Bigfoot, go right ahead. Please. So if you've got nothing to hide, then why would you not say, come take a look? Why do we have to take all the teeth out of that? That alone... Is suspicious as hell.

And if you want to send a bill that says I'm going to look in your apartment for Bigfoot, go right ahead. Please. So if you've got nothing to hide, then why would you not say, come take a look? Why do we have to take all the teeth out of that? That alone... Is suspicious as hell.

I think things like Arrow and these other things, you know, when we say government, that's too broad of a term. I do subscribe to the idea. I think Danny Sheehan's on board with this, too, is the idea that, as Dr. Stephen Greer says, that this knowledge is held in a black budget unacknowledged project. It's not like government employees know this about. It's not like when we say the government.

I think things like Arrow and these other things, you know, when we say government, that's too broad of a term. I do subscribe to the idea. I think Danny Sheehan's on board with this, too, is the idea that, as Dr. Stephen Greer says, that this knowledge is held in a black budget unacknowledged project. It's not like government employees know this about. It's not like when we say the government.

It's private. Yeah, right. So if it... This knowledge is held in a small group. Throughout history, whoever had the best technology won the war. It's been that way since the dawn of man. 200,000 years ago, it's been that way since. Since the bow and arrow, yeah. Previous to that, in 2001, they had the bone. That was enough. You had a better technology than the other idiot.

It's private. Yeah, right. So if it... This knowledge is held in a small group. Throughout history, whoever had the best technology won the war. It's been that way since the dawn of man. 200,000 years ago, it's been that way since. Since the bow and arrow, yeah. Previous to that, in 2001, they had the bone. That was enough. You had a better technology than the other idiot.

So I think that that's been going. So if you have this knowledge, why would you share it? So I don't think most people in government or even people at Arrow... They do have plausible deniability because they're not going to put the guy that really does know in charge of it. They're going to put some jackass that doesn't know anything. Because a lot of times they're not good talkers.

So I think that that's been going. So if you have this knowledge, why would you share it? So I don't think most people in government or even people at Arrow... They do have plausible deniability because they're not going to put the guy that really does know in charge of it. They're going to put some jackass that doesn't know anything. Because a lot of times they're not good talkers.

They're not going to put some guy that really knows the dirty secrets and really has that information and is a great talker. They're not going to do that. So to me... That's how I feel about it.

They're not going to put some guy that really knows the dirty secrets and really has that information and is a great talker. They're not going to do that. So to me... That's how I feel about it.

Well, Danny's been privy to some information, which is awesome, that makes him fully believe this.

Well, Danny's been privy to some information, which is awesome, that makes him fully believe this.

He's seen it. He's been to the Vatican archives. I mean, he has seen some great things. Now, here's another credible guy. Talk about a credible guy. This guy's record is beyond reproach. And he's just been fighting for humanity for years. I mean, how great to have him in our corner.

He's seen it. He's been to the Vatican archives. I mean, he has seen some great things. Now, here's another credible guy. Talk about a credible guy. This guy's record is beyond reproach. And he's just been fighting for humanity for years. I mean, how great to have him in our corner.

Yeah, we had that guy that goes by the name Alien Hunter. Yep. And he brought in all kinds of things that he claims are implants.

Yeah, we had that guy that goes by the name Alien Hunter. Yep. And he brought in all kinds of things that he claims are implants.

Stuff like that. It's like, you know, maybe. Maybe. Those are all into the unknowable box. How would I know? It might be he's collected it over the years. Maybe.

Stuff like that. It's like, you know, maybe. Maybe. Those are all into the unknowable box. How would I know? It might be he's collected it over the years. Maybe.

No, but we do have the crystal skull comes there. The actual Mitchell Hedges crystal skull is there, and people get to meet with them and everything. It's really cool.

No, but we do have the crystal skull comes there. The actual Mitchell Hedges crystal skull is there, and people get to meet with them and everything. It's really cool.

Well, you know, we have a kind of a committee of us. We all kind of think about it. We go down to Gordon's house in Mexico and we talk about these things. And, you know, each year there's kind of things that are happening or hot. Like this year we're doing the telepathy tape lady.

Well, you know, we have a kind of a committee of us. We all kind of think about it. We go down to Gordon's house in Mexico and we talk about these things. And, you know, each year there's kind of things that are happening or hot. Like this year we're doing the telepathy tape lady.

That's suddenly the hottest thing in the world, you know, and it's incredible. Again, John Hopkins, Harvard, that's where she did her study. She's been studying these kids for 15 years. Yeah. This is incredible stuff. And it's legit. We really do want to lean into the scientific academic side of this.

That's suddenly the hottest thing in the world, you know, and it's incredible. Again, John Hopkins, Harvard, that's where she did her study. She's been studying these kids for 15 years. Yeah. This is incredible stuff. And it's legit. We really do want to lean into the scientific academic side of this.

We really separate ourselves from other events. Nothing against the other events. It's just we each have our own lane sort of a thing. Our lane is really moving. And even my podcast, Beyond Contact, which is tied to contact.

We really separate ourselves from other events. Nothing against the other events. It's just we each have our own lane sort of a thing. Our lane is really moving. And even my podcast, Beyond Contact, which is tied to contact.

We want to lean into the academic side of things. We want to interview Danny Sheehan. We want to interview historians like Richard Dolan. Let's find out the actual first document, you know, firsthand witnesses, that kind of thing. We don't like the speculative stuff. Yes, maybe people can talk to cats. Maybe people have been on Mars. Maybe all that's true. Let somebody else handle that.

We want to lean into the academic side of things. We want to interview Danny Sheehan. We want to interview historians like Richard Dolan. Let's find out the actual first document, you know, firsthand witnesses, that kind of thing. We don't like the speculative stuff. Yes, maybe people can talk to cats. Maybe people have been on Mars. Maybe all that's true. Let somebody else handle that.

That's great. And if I'm wrong on that stuff, awesome. I'd love it. Yeah. We want to stick in the lane over here that's more academic, more scientific, and let's get to what's going on.

That's great. And if I'm wrong on that stuff, awesome. I'd love it. Yeah. We want to stick in the lane over here that's more academic, more scientific, and let's get to what's going on.

Well, it was a great thing up until now, now that you guys are part of it.

Well, it was a great thing up until now, now that you guys are part of it.

We were a five-star event. Now we're at about .5. I've noticed that. And the only thing that's changed.

We were a five-star event. Now we're at about .5. I've noticed that. And the only thing that's changed.

Hey, man, that's the effect. That .5 is really sticky. Yeah. You know what's funny about that is I was on the first podcast on the left this morning.

Hey, man, that's the effect. That .5 is really sticky. Yeah. You know what's funny about that is I was on the first podcast on the left this morning.

Awfully quick.

Awfully quick.

Doesn't it feel like those were military drones? And doesn't it seem like my... I think some of them, sure. I think it's most likely something like a military drone that's looking for, like, a dirty bomb. That's what they were, one theory? That makes the most sense to me. We don't want to talk about it. Don't shoot it down. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it.

Doesn't it feel like those were military drones? And doesn't it seem like my... I think some of them, sure. I think it's most likely something like a military drone that's looking for, like, a dirty bomb. That's what they were, one theory? That makes the most sense to me. We don't want to talk about it. Don't shoot it down. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it.

Don't ask, don't tell. We don't tell speakers what to say at all, including, shockingly, you gentlemen. Oh, yes. And gentlemen is being very, very, you know.

Don't ask, don't tell. We don't tell speakers what to say at all, including, shockingly, you gentlemen. Oh, yes. And gentlemen is being very, very, you know.

Good. No, it's all good. I'm glad you guys got a sense of what contact is because it's one thing to tell somebody. It's one thing to talk about it. But like, you know, then you see it. It's like I'm converted. Oh, I get it. Oh, dude, I'd go.

Good. No, it's all good. I'm glad you guys got a sense of what contact is because it's one thing to tell somebody. It's one thing to talk about it. But like, you know, then you see it. It's like I'm converted. Oh, I get it. Oh, dude, I'd go.

Do you not agree to this, though? Because this is something that frustrates us. People have a misconception in their brain that this is tinfoil hat, crazy people talking about crazy shit the whole time.

Do you not agree to this, though? Because this is something that frustrates us. People have a misconception in their brain that this is tinfoil hat, crazy people talking about crazy shit the whole time.

Oh, they live, eat, and breathe.

Oh, they live, eat, and breathe.

We have those folks that see it every day, as you know, as you mentioned earlier. It's that whole gamut. And it's fun. And it's funny how things do happen at Contact. It's just weird. Like even the Ross Colhart, the first big interview he did with David Grush happened during Contact. It was the year before you guys came on.

We have those folks that see it every day, as you know, as you mentioned earlier. It's that whole gamut. And it's fun. And it's funny how things do happen at Contact. It's just weird. Like even the Ross Colhart, the first big interview he did with David Grush happened during Contact. It was the year before you guys came on.

We literally stopped the event, all poured into one room, and we all watched the live press conference together. And then Danny Sheehan and Richard Dolan went up and speakers were like in the audience asking questions. Hey, do you think he knows this? And do you think this? And why couldn't he say this? And it was awesome. That's awesome. So it's great that things happen there like that.

We literally stopped the event, all poured into one room, and we all watched the live press conference together. And then Danny Sheehan and Richard Dolan went up and speakers were like in the audience asking questions. Hey, do you think he knows this? And do you think this? And why couldn't he say this? And it was awesome. That's awesome. So it's great that things happen there like that.

And we've had people that say that CE5 has happened and they've seen things. It's awesome.

And we've had people that say that CE5 has happened and they've seen things. It's awesome.

You know, if it requires that energy and that mindset, well, boy, we have it. Where else are you going to get 2,000 people together thinking about this?

You know, if it requires that energy and that mindset, well, boy, we have it. Where else are you going to get 2,000 people together thinking about this?

I was going to say Henry, to be honest, but, I mean, I don't know.

I was going to say Henry, to be honest, but, I mean, I don't know.

We would send Danny Sheehan out there as our guy, right? This is my lawyer!

We would send Danny Sheehan out there as our guy, right? This is my lawyer!

Have you been looking about this? I've seen that. There's all these. There's cigar, triangle.

Have you been looking about this? I've seen that. There's all these. There's cigar, triangle.

They don't like jellyfish. It's only because they're describing that shape. It's not a jellyfish.

They don't like jellyfish. It's only because they're describing that shape. It's not a jellyfish.

That is not how I do it. But that's, it's interesting. It's how the information slides in. But then you talk to some of these guys, even like Mark D'Antonio, who's an astronomer that comes that we love. He takes a bus out into the desert, and they do a sky watch, and it's awesome. Oh, yeah. That's another great, great aspect of contact.

That is not how I do it. But that's, it's interesting. It's how the information slides in. But then you talk to some of these guys, even like Mark D'Antonio, who's an astronomer that comes that we love. He takes a bus out into the desert, and they do a sky watch, and it's awesome. Oh, yeah. That's another great, great aspect of contact.

But, you know, he will explain to you and then you'll be like, oh, it's not a UFO. I think 99% of the footage we see is not a alien controlled craft at all.

But, you know, he will explain to you and then you'll be like, oh, it's not a UFO. I think 99% of the footage we see is not a alien controlled craft at all.

Okay, let's take a look.

Okay, let's take a look.

And it is rotating. You can see that it's rotating. Yeah. Whoa, yeah, it looks cool. Do you know, there's a guy in Mexico today. It's on Coast to Coast AM. There's a photo today of a guy who took a picture that's similar to this. Well, dude, how did you feel about that jetpack man? What a giant black balloon. Jetpack man in LAX. He came back like a year later and then like a year and a half later.

And it is rotating. You can see that it's rotating. Yeah. Whoa, yeah, it looks cool. Do you know, there's a guy in Mexico today. It's on Coast to Coast AM. There's a photo today of a guy who took a picture that's similar to this. Well, dude, how did you feel about that jetpack man? What a giant black balloon. Jetpack man in LAX. He came back like a year later and then like a year and a half later.

I agree, but I don't jump to Alien.

I agree, but I don't jump to Alien.

I don't jump to Alien on any of these things. Yeah.

I don't jump to Alien on any of these things. Yeah.

Yes.

Yes.

Like a classic UFO flying saucer.

Like a classic UFO flying saucer.

But now we have the problem. AI is out there. We just went to NAB in Vegas. The technology is so sick. When you're editing now, the programs automatically have this built in while you're editing. If you shoot this room and you get here and you're like, ah, it will add 10 seconds for you. It will... Crazy. What it thinks is there. It's sick.

But now we have the problem. AI is out there. We just went to NAB in Vegas. The technology is so sick. When you're editing now, the programs automatically have this built in while you're editing. If you shoot this room and you get here and you're like, ah, it will add 10 seconds for you. It will... Crazy. What it thinks is there. It's sick.

So it's getting harder and harder to trust photos or videos. That's why you like these multi-witness cases. If we had Phoenix Lights happen today. We'd have the drones. Well, kind of, but the Phoenix Lights, there were thousands of people at the same time saw the same object.

So it's getting harder and harder to trust photos or videos. That's why you like these multi-witness cases. If we had Phoenix Lights happen today. We'd have the drones. Well, kind of, but the Phoenix Lights, there were thousands of people at the same time saw the same object.

That's how it felt. But not everybody had a phone or a camera in their pocket like they do today. So if we had that now, I think it was 90s, wasn't it?

That's how it felt. But not everybody had a phone or a camera in their pocket like they do today. So if we had that now, I think it was 90s, wasn't it?

But even then, we didn't have phones in our pocket with cameras on them like we do now. If that exact same event happened today, now you would have this same object from literally a thousand different perspectives and all this eyewitness testimony. Now you've got something to build a case on. Now, that doesn't mean it's alien again. Why couldn't this be a secret military project?

But even then, we didn't have phones in our pocket with cameras on them like we do now. If that exact same event happened today, now you would have this same object from literally a thousand different perspectives and all this eyewitness testimony. Now you've got something to build a case on. Now, that doesn't mean it's alien again. Why couldn't this be a secret military project?

Why couldn't this be something else? But... would be a lot more interesting, wouldn't it?

Why couldn't this be something else? But... would be a lot more interesting, wouldn't it?

It's a great one. And even in 1998, which is only 27 years ago, do you know that... It was a different time already for this subject. That's why he felt he had to make a joke about it. It doesn't feel like somebody would do that today. A governor probably wouldn't do that today. We're more scared now, too. We didn't see that when the drones came out. They didn't go, oh, it's an alien.

It's a great one. And even in 1998, which is only 27 years ago, do you know that... It was a different time already for this subject. That's why he felt he had to make a joke about it. It doesn't feel like somebody would do that today. A governor probably wouldn't do that today. We're more scared now, too. We didn't see that when the drones came out. They didn't go, oh, it's an alien.

And some of these senators were like, oh, my God, it's coming from a mothership.

And some of these senators were like, oh, my God, it's coming from a mothership.

And you hear part of that supposedly being part of what they call the legacy people in government that know this information, that they're affiliated with this and oftentimes are coming from that angle. You've got a guy like Chris Bledsoe who ties that into religion as well.

And you hear part of that supposedly being part of what they call the legacy people in government that know this information, that they're affiliated with this and oftentimes are coming from that angle. You've got a guy like Chris Bledsoe who ties that into religion as well.

Right. They're forcing it into that paradigm. Absolutely.

Right. They're forcing it into that paradigm. Absolutely.

And that goes way back, back to the djinn even. You know, we talk about that. All these different beings that people saw. It's interesting how similar it is over time. That adds credibility to it, in my view. Yeah.

And that goes way back, back to the djinn even. You know, we talk about that. All these different beings that people saw. It's interesting how similar it is over time. That adds credibility to it, in my view. Yeah.

For sure. Yeah.

For sure. Yeah.

Why would he keep it secret? Because I think these guys are in, let's call it mainstream government, the real government, the regular government. You know, I do believe it's very, very possible. I'm not at all a conspiracy theorist, but I do think it is possible that we would have black budget programs.

Why would he keep it secret? Because I think these guys are in, let's call it mainstream government, the real government, the regular government. You know, I do believe it's very, very possible. I'm not at all a conspiracy theorist, but I do think it is possible that we would have black budget programs.

So I would think that something that is super technology that is alien in nature right into that program. So a guy like Harry Reid, even as prominent as he was. They say that they don't tell the presidents about UFOs because this is a topic that's on a need-to-know basis, and they don't need to know, and they're a short-term four-year employee. They're out. Yeah, you're out.

So I would think that something that is super technology that is alien in nature right into that program. So a guy like Harry Reid, even as prominent as he was. They say that they don't tell the presidents about UFOs because this is a topic that's on a need-to-know basis, and they don't need to know, and they're a short-term four-year employee. They're out. Yeah, you're out.

These legacy guys literally are there their whole life. Their kids come up in it, and they're sworn to secrecy, and it's like a closely guarded thing.

These legacy guys literally are there their whole life. Their kids come up in it, and they're sworn to secrecy, and it's like a closely guarded thing.

Dude, appreciate it. So where do your show is? What I want to know is how do you unfunny people do a comedy show?

Dude, appreciate it. So where do your show is? What I want to know is how do you unfunny people do a comedy show?

I'm only funny when I'm on the clock. It's an intentional train wreck. Is that your angle every single time?

I'm only funny when I'm on the clock. It's an intentional train wreck. Is that your angle every single time?

Yes, sir. Coast to coast.

Yes, sir. Coast to coast.

We did not even put that on the schedule intentionally, but it's an informal.

We did not even put that on the schedule intentionally, but it's an informal.

I'm hosting the belly flop contest. You're just going to see me floating in the water, and that's where you'll find me. I want to see Nick Pope do the limbo. Well, you guys are doing your podcast live there. We've got like Jesse Michaels is doing it there. Everybody's doing it. It's a great guy. And Ross Coulhart, who I love. Yeah. Ross is awesome. Josh Gates is going to be there, which is amazing.

I'm hosting the belly flop contest. You're just going to see me floating in the water, and that's where you'll find me. I want to see Nick Pope do the limbo. Well, you guys are doing your podcast live there. We've got like Jesse Michaels is doing it there. Everybody's doing it. It's a great guy. And Ross Coulhart, who I love. Yeah. Ross is awesome. Josh Gates is going to be there, which is amazing.

Amazing. And then, you know, these guys are going to do the podcast live. We have five world premiere movies that have never been seen before. Cool. On this topic. So there's all kinds of stuff happening. But if people go to contactinthedesert.com, they could find out about me. They could find out about Beyond Contact, our podcast. We cover all of these topics. And it's a lot of fun on there.

Amazing. And then, you know, these guys are going to do the podcast live. We have five world premiere movies that have never been seen before. Cool. On this topic. So there's all kinds of stuff happening. But if people go to contactinthedesert.com, they could find out about me. They could find out about Beyond Contact, our podcast. We cover all of these topics. And it's a lot of fun on there.

And Contact's awesome, too. Obviously, it's a lot of fun.

And Contact's awesome, too. Obviously, it's a lot of fun.

I've been involved in it since like 2015, 16. I was like a host, and I got to know the old owners, and I would host and participate. And so I've been going there. It's been my favorite week of the year for about 10 years. Is there anything else that you do? Are you a Burning Man guy? No. I've never done Burning Man. Now, I did do, you know, Contact in the Desert used to be like Burning Man.

It was literally physically in the desert. It was at Joshua Tree State Park. Cool. Literally. And you'd walk from like Little Hut to Little Hut to see the different speakers. It was 120 degrees outside. Yeah. Because it's in the desert. You're literally walking over cactus. Literally. And Joshua Trees. Yeah.

He's got nice shoes. Norrie and those guys have been going the whole time. They went out to the desert. Absolutely. Knapp's still legit, though.

Knapp's one of my favorite guys in the whole field, for sure.

He's a genuine investigator. We might get invited to his home. Great. We're trying to force it. He's in Vegas. Have you ever been? Not to his house, but I've seen him in Vegas.

You can digest a lot in those five days. That's how it was for me. I mean, when I first went to that, I saw a flyer once and all these names were on it, like Van Dan again.

Those guys like, I got to go see this. And then it was just like so much thrown at me at once. You can really ramp up your knowledge.

quickly in five days did you did you always were you always into ufos like what got you to all to all this you know i never had an experience i'm not an experiencer or anything like that but i've always had a curiosity to that i always like things that are unknown i like those shows in search of anything that's like that i liked art bell if you guys remember art bell he's my patron saint

There you go. I loved that stuff. And I kind of fell into a buddy of mine who had a podcast about UFOs. He's like, you're really into this. Why don't you come on? And then we did Truth Be Told together for years and years and years. So I just, and you know, the more you do it, every time you interview somebody, you learn that much more.

Maybe you read their book before they come on, or you read stuff about them, you watch their lectures, and you just, gross, gross, gross, gross.

You know, it's just one of those things. I was a personal assistant for 20 years, working for celebrities in Hollywood, so I I never really was in front of the camera or any of that.

And I'm the behind-the-scenes guy, absolutely. You know, I was always behind the scenes. But it doesn't bother me. I'm open to either role. You'd never guess.

You know, I've been doing this now for about 14, 15 years. I've interviewed all these guys. I've got to know some of them and become friendly with them. And we almost feels like to us that Contact in the Desert is sort of like a banquet for a community. You know, it's almost like an annual thing that we know we all go there. We all meet here. What have you been working on this year?

What have you been doing? You know, a lot of these guys know each other. Some of them don't see each other until Contact next year. I feel like there should be a yearbook. Almost.

Well, I'll tell you what. My whole life, I am right here, man. I am right in the middle. I am the middle of all of this. So I'm very skeptical, but I'm very open-minded. I am... A lot of these guys have gone on some of these other shows and they want me to say provocative stuff. They're like, what's the craziest thing you'll say?

And I'm like, you got the wrong guy. I'm not that guy.

Well done. Now, I will say this. I will say in the 15-year period that we're talking about, I have...

moved more towards belief that there's definitely something going on I've always thought there's something going on now I really feel you know what there's more to this than we see because it's one of those things you can't have a cursory knowledge of UFOs like if you talk to somebody on the street oh yeah I've heard of Roswell you don't know about UFOs when you interview these guys when you read these books when you deep dive into this it's a layered onion as you know so you start getting more and more knowledge in this area there's some serious shit going on here

And, you know, I've had the honor of talking to people like Avi Loeb. Yes. You don't get to be the top of astronomy at Harvard without knowing something. And he says it's most likely that somebody is going to be coming here. Why is he saying that? I give credence to these guys where I think some people dismiss those guys. And that's not right. Yeah.

OK, I'll tell you right now. I hate this because it's the cliche and I answer it the same always. But it is Roswell. And if you read the Roswell books that Don Schmidt and Tom Carey have put together. Their research is incredible, and they've interviewed these guys over and over, and they all fit into this perfect narrative.

I mean, the idea that they interview the guy that runs the funeral home in that town, and at that night that Roswell crashed, he got a call at 3 in the morning, and we need caskets. Bring him out here. Well, is there a car crash? Don't worry about it. Just bring him over. Well, I mean, that just fits so perfectly into the story. Who's going to make that up? Who's going to think of this?

And Art Bell read the deathbed confession of that colonel. He says, I wrote this for my granddaughter to know that we're not alone in the universe because I saw the bodies and I saw the ship and I saw this, but I didn't want any of the bullshit and I was threatened. Why would somebody do that? They wouldn't do that.

You do it for the money. You want to get fame. You want to get a book. Not that anybody makes any money on this shit, but they think that.

So somebody like that, to me, that's compelling to me. I don't know why people aren't more compelled by some of these things. John Mack, you guys familiar with John Mack? Yes. head of psychiatry at Harvard, another guy, who went to look at this phenomenon and said, I'm gonna explain, since he's at the top of psychiatry in the world.

So why do we take this guy as being at the top of his game and he's this highly respected guy and then he sets out to say, I'm going to figure out what's wrong with these people. It must be another phenomenon. And then he looked into it and he said, no, that's not what it is. Something really is happening to them.

So if this guy's the top of his class, top in the world of this, why don't we then take his answer? All of a sudden, he's crazy. Yeah. That must be nonsense. And he's a professional bullshit detector. That's bullshit to me. I can't stand that. If you guys can't take John Mack at his word or Avi Loeb at his word, then why do we even have academia? Why do these guys raise to that level?

That does occasionally happen to me. What happens more often to me, see if this ever happens to you guys. I'll meet somebody I don't know or I'll be wherever and maybe they find out what I do or they ask what I do and I tell them. And they'll immediately be like, well, no, I don't believe in any of that nonsense. That's all bullshit. I swear to God I've told the story a hundred times.

I swear it's true. They do that old Columbo routine where they go, no, no, that's all. You know, there's this one time. Oh, yeah, dude. I was up late at night. My dad and I were fishing. It was dark. And this thing came across the sky. Wait a minute. A minute ago, this was not. And then you have a personal. I don't even have that. Yeah, they have it.

It's very common that people have an experience.

Or my mom told me a story when I was a little girl. You know, you hear these things. It's amazing how prolific that is.

No, I'm not that guy. I'm somebody that puts credence into what Avi Loeb says, credence into John Mack says. I think Travis Walton is awesome. Yeah. I got to know Travis Walton. I did a whole special thing on his 45th anniversary. I brought his brother back in. I brought the original people in. We had a big thing.

All of this is plausible to me. All of this makes sense. Exactly those guys would be like that. Of course those guys would take off. Of course they'd be scared. All of it's very plausible to me. Even Roswell's plausible. And there's so many of these ancillary things that fit in. The Travis Walton case, it's also great that there's one incident. Yes.

I'll tell you another thing for me personally that I probably shouldn't say because this will bite me in the ass. But... When you come to me and you're Travis Walton and you say, listen, this one day, this one thing happened to me. I was out in the woods. The ship was there. I got beamed on and that was it. Maybe lightning strikes.

It's these guys I can't stand that, oh, you know, I've been to Mars and I've worked on alien bodies and I've been underground on spaceships and I've been underground on Earth with the military working on this and I've operated on alien bodies and I've got implants.

Yeah.

Sure.

It could be, you know, MK Ultra type stuff where they fuck with people, which they have done and they've come out and it's proven that they've done these kind of things. So, you know, I don't like to dismiss anybody's story completely out of hand because, you know, maybe these guys that I'm referring to. Maybe it's genuine. Maybe that's possible. I don't lean that it is.

I wouldn't bet a nickel that it is. I don't think that is. It feels very disingenuous. That's a one in a billion chance that something could happen to you. You've had nine of those happen to you. Now the math is in the multi-trillions, and that's hard. It's like you, Philip Schneider, you're the special one. You know what I mean? It's hard.

And you shot him, and you got away, and these other guys came, and...

Guess what sucks? What? Now you add misinformation. You have misidentification. Oh, yeah. Which is 95% of the cases. But then you have misinformation. Then you have intentional Richard Doty disinformation. Now that's really clouding the water. So it makes it even harder to get to the truth. I always think that a lot of these things, there's 10% truth in it. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah.

And then when I hear it over and over, I mean, why are these abduction stories throughout history... Word for word. If you ever read Communion, there's some great pieces in Communion where Whitley describes, he writes passages that people wrote hundreds of years ago that sound like an alien abduction case from today.

At Contact in the Desert? Yeah. I don't think they fucked with it at all. But, I mean, I've heard from many people, including Nick Pope, that there are DOD officials that have shown up at Contact in the Desert. And it makes perfect sense to me. Do you know what I think? What do you guys think of Arrow?

Oh, you mean like every single person in ufology? You guys can edit that right out.

But anyway, something like Arrow to me, which is garbage. I don't think it's to share the information with us. It's I want to see what you guys have.

They want to collect everything so that they know what people have.

Right. Why are there these $80 million programs that, oh, there's nothing to see here. If there's nothing to see, okay, not only that, adding exactly to what you said, Henry. So in 2023, they had the Schumer bill, the UAP disclosure bill.

And then in December, they gutted it. They took all the teeth out of it. Wait a minute. If there's nothing to hide here, why do you need to gut this bill? I have... Well, they say it's to protect the special cameras, to protect the special ways that they... Bullshit. There are no Bigfoot living in my apartment.

And if you want to send a bill that says I'm going to look in your apartment for Bigfoot, go right ahead. Please. So if you've got nothing to hide, then why would you not say, come take a look? Why do we have to take all the teeth out of that? That alone... Is suspicious as hell.

I think things like Arrow and these other things, you know, when we say government, that's too broad of a term. I do subscribe to the idea. I think Danny Sheehan's on board with this, too, is the idea that, as Dr. Stephen Greer says, that this knowledge is held in a black budget unacknowledged project. It's not like government employees know this about. It's not like when we say the government.

It's private. Yeah, right. So if it... This knowledge is held in a small group. Throughout history, whoever had the best technology won the war. It's been that way since the dawn of man. 200,000 years ago, it's been that way since. Since the bow and arrow, yeah. Previous to that, in 2001, they had the bone. That was enough. You had a better technology than the other idiot.

So I think that that's been going. So if you have this knowledge, why would you share it? So I don't think most people in government or even people at Arrow... They do have plausible deniability because they're not going to put the guy that really does know in charge of it. They're going to put some jackass that doesn't know anything. Because a lot of times they're not good talkers.

They're not going to put some guy that really knows the dirty secrets and really has that information and is a great talker. They're not going to do that. So to me... That's how I feel about it.

Well, Danny's been privy to some information, which is awesome, that makes him fully believe this.

He's seen it. He's been to the Vatican archives. I mean, he has seen some great things. Now, here's another credible guy. Talk about a credible guy. This guy's record is beyond reproach. And he's just been fighting for humanity for years. I mean, how great to have him in our corner.

Yeah, we had that guy that goes by the name Alien Hunter. Yep. And he brought in all kinds of things that he claims are implants.

Stuff like that. It's like, you know, maybe. Maybe. Those are all into the unknowable box. How would I know? It might be he's collected it over the years. Maybe.

No, but we do have the crystal skull comes there. The actual Mitchell Hedges crystal skull is there, and people get to meet with them and everything. It's really cool.

Well, you know, we have a kind of a committee of us. We all kind of think about it. We go down to Gordon's house in Mexico and we talk about these things. And, you know, each year there's kind of things that are happening or hot. Like this year we're doing the telepathy tape lady.

That's suddenly the hottest thing in the world, you know, and it's incredible. Again, John Hopkins, Harvard, that's where she did her study. She's been studying these kids for 15 years. Yeah. This is incredible stuff. And it's legit. We really do want to lean into the scientific academic side of this.

We really separate ourselves from other events. Nothing against the other events. It's just we each have our own lane sort of a thing. Our lane is really moving. And even my podcast, Beyond Contact, which is tied to contact.

We want to lean into the academic side of things. We want to interview Danny Sheehan. We want to interview historians like Richard Dolan. Let's find out the actual first document, you know, firsthand witnesses, that kind of thing. We don't like the speculative stuff. Yes, maybe people can talk to cats. Maybe people have been on Mars. Maybe all that's true. Let somebody else handle that.

That's great. And if I'm wrong on that stuff, awesome. I'd love it. Yeah. We want to stick in the lane over here that's more academic, more scientific, and let's get to what's going on.

Well, it was a great thing up until now, now that you guys are part of it.

We were a five-star event. Now we're at about .5. I've noticed that. And the only thing that's changed.

Hey, man, that's the effect. That .5 is really sticky. Yeah. You know what's funny about that is I was on the first podcast on the left this morning.

Awfully quick.

Doesn't it feel like those were military drones? And doesn't it seem like my... I think some of them, sure. I think it's most likely something like a military drone that's looking for, like, a dirty bomb. That's what they were, one theory? That makes the most sense to me. We don't want to talk about it. Don't shoot it down. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it.

Don't ask, don't tell. We don't tell speakers what to say at all, including, shockingly, you gentlemen. Oh, yes. And gentlemen is being very, very, you know.

Good. No, it's all good. I'm glad you guys got a sense of what contact is because it's one thing to tell somebody. It's one thing to talk about it. But like, you know, then you see it. It's like I'm converted. Oh, I get it. Oh, dude, I'd go.

Do you not agree to this, though? Because this is something that frustrates us. People have a misconception in their brain that this is tinfoil hat, crazy people talking about crazy shit the whole time.

Oh, they live, eat, and breathe.

We have those folks that see it every day, as you know, as you mentioned earlier. It's that whole gamut. And it's fun. And it's funny how things do happen at Contact. It's just weird. Like even the Ross Colhart, the first big interview he did with David Grush happened during Contact. It was the year before you guys came on.

We literally stopped the event, all poured into one room, and we all watched the live press conference together. And then Danny Sheehan and Richard Dolan went up and speakers were like in the audience asking questions. Hey, do you think he knows this? And do you think this? And why couldn't he say this? And it was awesome. That's awesome. So it's great that things happen there like that.

And we've had people that say that CE5 has happened and they've seen things. It's awesome.

You know, if it requires that energy and that mindset, well, boy, we have it. Where else are you going to get 2,000 people together thinking about this?

I was going to say Henry, to be honest, but, I mean, I don't know.

We would send Danny Sheehan out there as our guy, right? This is my lawyer!

Have you been looking about this? I've seen that. There's all these. There's cigar, triangle.

They don't like jellyfish. It's only because they're describing that shape. It's not a jellyfish.

That is not how I do it. But that's, it's interesting. It's how the information slides in. But then you talk to some of these guys, even like Mark D'Antonio, who's an astronomer that comes that we love. He takes a bus out into the desert, and they do a sky watch, and it's awesome. Oh, yeah. That's another great, great aspect of contact.

But, you know, he will explain to you and then you'll be like, oh, it's not a UFO. I think 99% of the footage we see is not a alien controlled craft at all.

Okay, let's take a look.

And it is rotating. You can see that it's rotating. Yeah. Whoa, yeah, it looks cool. Do you know, there's a guy in Mexico today. It's on Coast to Coast AM. There's a photo today of a guy who took a picture that's similar to this. Well, dude, how did you feel about that jetpack man? What a giant black balloon. Jetpack man in LAX. He came back like a year later and then like a year and a half later.

I agree, but I don't jump to Alien.

I don't jump to Alien on any of these things. Yeah.

Yes.

Like a classic UFO flying saucer.

But now we have the problem. AI is out there. We just went to NAB in Vegas. The technology is so sick. When you're editing now, the programs automatically have this built in while you're editing. If you shoot this room and you get here and you're like, ah, it will add 10 seconds for you. It will... Crazy. What it thinks is there. It's sick.

So it's getting harder and harder to trust photos or videos. That's why you like these multi-witness cases. If we had Phoenix Lights happen today. We'd have the drones. Well, kind of, but the Phoenix Lights, there were thousands of people at the same time saw the same object.

That's how it felt. But not everybody had a phone or a camera in their pocket like they do today. So if we had that now, I think it was 90s, wasn't it?

But even then, we didn't have phones in our pocket with cameras on them like we do now. If that exact same event happened today, now you would have this same object from literally a thousand different perspectives and all this eyewitness testimony. Now you've got something to build a case on. Now, that doesn't mean it's alien again. Why couldn't this be a secret military project?

Why couldn't this be something else? But... would be a lot more interesting, wouldn't it?

It's a great one. And even in 1998, which is only 27 years ago, do you know that... It was a different time already for this subject. That's why he felt he had to make a joke about it. It doesn't feel like somebody would do that today. A governor probably wouldn't do that today. We're more scared now, too. We didn't see that when the drones came out. They didn't go, oh, it's an alien.

And some of these senators were like, oh, my God, it's coming from a mothership.

And you hear part of that supposedly being part of what they call the legacy people in government that know this information, that they're affiliated with this and oftentimes are coming from that angle. You've got a guy like Chris Bledsoe who ties that into religion as well.

Right. They're forcing it into that paradigm. Absolutely.

And that goes way back, back to the djinn even. You know, we talk about that. All these different beings that people saw. It's interesting how similar it is over time. That adds credibility to it, in my view. Yeah.

For sure. Yeah.

Why would he keep it secret? Because I think these guys are in, let's call it mainstream government, the real government, the regular government. You know, I do believe it's very, very possible. I'm not at all a conspiracy theorist, but I do think it is possible that we would have black budget programs.

So I would think that something that is super technology that is alien in nature right into that program. So a guy like Harry Reid, even as prominent as he was. They say that they don't tell the presidents about UFOs because this is a topic that's on a need-to-know basis, and they don't need to know, and they're a short-term four-year employee. They're out. Yeah, you're out.

These legacy guys literally are there their whole life. Their kids come up in it, and they're sworn to secrecy, and it's like a closely guarded thing.

Dude, appreciate it. So where do your show is? What I want to know is how do you unfunny people do a comedy show?

I'm only funny when I'm on the clock. It's an intentional train wreck. Is that your angle every single time?

Yes, sir. Coast to coast.

We did not even put that on the schedule intentionally, but it's an informal.

I'm hosting the belly flop contest. You're just going to see me floating in the water, and that's where you'll find me. I want to see Nick Pope do the limbo. Well, you guys are doing your podcast live there. We've got like Jesse Michaels is doing it there. Everybody's doing it. It's a great guy. And Ross Coulhart, who I love. Yeah. Ross is awesome. Josh Gates is going to be there, which is amazing.

Amazing. And then, you know, these guys are going to do the podcast live. We have five world premiere movies that have never been seen before. Cool. On this topic. So there's all kinds of stuff happening. But if people go to contactinthedesert.com, they could find out about me. They could find out about Beyond Contact, our podcast. We cover all of these topics. And it's a lot of fun on there.

And Contact's awesome, too. Obviously, it's a lot of fun.