Carl Yeh

And then I think this morning I also saw Helen Toner say, hey, that's not true.

That's not what I said or whatever that was.

And the back and forth, which was because the question would have been, what would the AI space look like if

And like Dario Amadei was actually leading the amalgamation of open AI and anthropic.

Like what would that, what would that look like today versus what is today?

So here's a question because I enjoy five.

I actually did not like its ability to build relationships with me.

I didn't care about that at all.

What I cared about is like, hey, can you execute the task that I want you to do in a cold, very cold manner?

And that's how I kind of like to do things.

So it's like, this is even better for me.

And when...

I think has this is and I love their tool branching because what I did is I took the to the folks from Nate Jones's transcript on that video he did.

Plus the other one, I forgot a blog post on something else, combined them and then

Leverage that to build any future prompts using five itself.

And kind of got in how I've been teaching all our clients and the things that they've done using that because it does over deliver and you have to be very, very...

very judicious about hey what tooling capabilities it should have should not have and like the non things that you it should not do within it and you have to think a little you have to do a little bit more and obviously you got to use the um their optimizer too and a lot of people just don't like to to do all these this extra stuff with it and i get that too so yeah it's but

And so, Brian, when you're teaching five, are you teaching just five like thinking all that or just five itself?

Wait till you all find out like how it's implemented in Copilot Agent, because that's a whole different disaster because it's not, you think you knew five and it's over delivery.

now add the Microsoft Sheen over it, then you're like, I don't know what I'm getting here, because it's all over the place.