Carl Yeh

So here's a question because I enjoy five.

I actually did not like its ability to build relationships with me.

I didn't care about that at all.

What I cared about is like, hey, can you execute the task that I want you to do in a cold, very cold manner?

And that's how I kind of like to do things.

So it's like, this is even better for me.

And when...

I think has this is and I love their tool branching because what I did is I took the to the folks from Nate Jones's transcript on that video he did.

Plus the other one, I forgot a blog post on something else, combined them and then

Leverage that to build any future prompts using five itself.

And kind of got in how I've been teaching all our clients and the things that they've done using that because it does over deliver and you have to be very, very...

very judicious about hey what tooling capabilities it should have should not have and like the non things that you it should not do within it and you have to think a little you have to do a little bit more and obviously you got to use the um their optimizer too and a lot of people just don't like to to do all these this extra stuff with it and i get that too so yeah it's but

And so, Brian, when you're teaching five, are you teaching just five like thinking all that or just five itself?

Wait till you all find out like how it's implemented in Copilot Agent, because that's a whole different disaster because it's not, you think you knew five and it's over delivery.

now add the Microsoft Sheen over it, then you're like, I don't know what I'm getting here, because it's all over the place.

And you're just like, I don't even want to touch.

You kind of have to default to 4.0, but you can get glimpses of like, this is so much better.

But then I'm like, I don't know what Microsoft does to it, because it already waters the first part down.

But you're like, it's like now screwing up everything else.

Then they have GPT-5 and then GPT-5 reasoning as a selection in there.