Carlos Barragan

They want to scam listeners because they can get more money and faster.

Yeah, a bit like that.

And that's the problem.

And, you know, I focus in just one neighborhood.

But I remember talking to all the young men who were not doing it.

And they would tell me when you are in a hotel, for example, I talked to a waiter in a hotel.

and he he told me how these yahoo boys would like throw money on the floor to them and they would treat them like if they were rubbish because you cannot compete with them in terms of the money they have and that applies to the people their girlfriends you know getting girlfriends or getting all the getting the attention from the community but at the same time the people who are not doing it they would tell me

well, God is on my side.

I know that I'm doing right.

I'm not hurting people.

You know, it's important to know that a lot of Nigerians, they know the implications of what they are doing.

But at the same time, if you want to hang out with the cool kids, you have to do that.

Oh, of course.

So think about this.

You are in a think about Islam where they don't have much money.

A lot of people struggle.

You know, I remember meeting a family that had to split an egg in four ways for dinner because Nigeria is going through a huge economic crisis.

And suddenly you have this incredible amount of money arriving here and

People need to bear in mind that these boys are teenagers, early 20s, and they consume a lot of drugs.

So the community creates around these young boys kind of like a network to siphon this money out of them.