Carol Bennett

telcos have to tell consumers when there are outages and what's happening with them.

There are all sorts of new obligations on industry, including the UOMO, which is the universal outdoor mobile obligation that you referred to, which is the satellite to device technology.

And there's legislation on the way with that.

And as you mentioned with the regulator ACMA, it needs a huge uplift.

Its powers, its penalties are just substandard for the task at hand.

So there is another bill at the moment that's before the parliament, which is the Enhancing Consumer Safeguards Bill, which will also give ACMA increased powers.

So there's a lot happening in this space.

There's triple zero reviews underway.

all of these things will significantly increase and enhance the sector.

And it needs to, and it needs to happen quickly because, as you say, we've got, you know, SpaceX rapidly evolving its technology.

We don't want to miss out on that.

And we also don't want to end up with consumers in a position where they either can't access it because they can't afford it,

and then having some people connected and some not because that digital exclusion will make sure that people are not able to participate in society and that'll have a massive impact.

Well, I think this is an interesting issue that you raise here, Trevor, because I think with domestic mobile roaming, there is a growing view in the community and from some politicians.

Helen Haynes has sort of raised this, Senator Henderson has raised this.

The Greens have raised this.

I mean, I think there's a growing view that, you know, if international visitors can come to Australia and access and roam on our networks and access any network, regardless of which provider they're with, Australians should be able to do that too.

It shouldn't be that, you know, if you're in an area that doesn't have

a telephone tower that is owned by your provider that you can't actually get connectivity.

It just seems like a nonsense to most people.