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Carol Leonnig

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
448 total appearances

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Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

And he actually has a conversation with Benny Thompson before he takes the job where he goes, I'm not going to be comfortable if politics is going to influence the end results.

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

I want our facts to drive the day.

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

But in the end, those clients, the lawmakers, they do not want to turn over the goods.

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

And they stiff arm the Department of Justice, which now is trying to play catch up.

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

You know, Dave, Merrick Garland, the attorney general, really set the tone on this, which was, we're not doing anything because there's an election coming up.

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

And we're not motivated or girded or pressed by an election calendar and the fact that Donald Trump is readying himself and making a lot of noise about running for reelection.

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

Now, inside, Aaron and I learned that there were prosecutors worried about how much time was left on the clock.

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

And this is a great moment to sort of compare Garland and the special counsel he would end up picking later when Trump really did announce that he was going to run for re-election in November of 2022, because Jack Smith, that special counsel, said literally within the first week of meeting his new team, he said,

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

We got to set a calendar.

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

How about in three months we decide whether or not we can indict?

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

That was on the classified documents case.

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

In the others, he said, we have to triage to this.

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

We have to get moving.

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

His motivation was, as he articulated it to many people we interviewed, was we can't let the American public judge.

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

sit out there with these incredible allegations of a potential coup, of a president potentially stoking violence to overturn a free and fair election.

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

We can't let that wither out there in the countryside without resolving it in a fair court.

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

And he also felt that it was really important for Donald Trump to not have those allegations laying out there.

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

And so he was moving at a pace I have actually never seen in any DOJ prosecution of a complex case, much less one involving a former president.

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

But not typically for a person who's not an actually named candidate.

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

No, it turns out to be a weapon that Donald Trump uses very effectively against the Justice Department and against Jack Smith.