Carol Leonnig

It depends on your view. But if you counted how many times he used that favorite phrase, I can't recall as I sit here today. It's not ringing a bell. But if you gave me more information, you know,

It depends on your view. But if you counted how many times he used that favorite phrase, I can't recall as I sit here today. It's not ringing a bell. But if you gave me more information, you know,

One of the things that FBI employees and justice employees watched with shock as they are literally watching his testimony live in their offices or in their remote work locations, as they're watching this, they're like, wait a minute, you said you don't know some of the prosecutors that were fired in Jack Smith's office? Because there's one particular one that Booker asked him about.

One of the things that FBI employees and justice employees watched with shock as they are literally watching his testimony live in their offices or in their remote work locations, as they're watching this, they're like, wait a minute, you said you don't know some of the prosecutors that were fired in Jack Smith's office? Because there's one particular one that Booker asked him about.

One of the things that FBI employees and justice employees watched with shock as they are literally watching his testimony live in their offices or in their remote work locations, as they're watching this, they're like, wait a minute, you said you don't know some of the prosecutors that were fired in Jack Smith's office? Because there's one particular one that Booker asked him about.

And these were people that interviewed Patel for hours in the grand jury. So how could you forget that person?

And these were people that interviewed Patel for hours in the grand jury. So how could you forget that person?

And these were people that interviewed Patel for hours in the grand jury. So how could you forget that person?

The problem is, you know, I don't know that we're going to get the answer, Tim. You're absolutely right. There's no gray matter here. It's black, it's white, one or the other. And I'm not going to put a finger on the scale and say who is or isn't telling the truth, because I'm all about facts. But Kash Patel has not been a very careful, precise, or clear narrator in many other instances before.

The problem is, you know, I don't know that we're going to get the answer, Tim. You're absolutely right. There's no gray matter here. It's black, it's white, one or the other. And I'm not going to put a finger on the scale and say who is or isn't telling the truth, because I'm all about facts. But Kash Patel has not been a very careful, precise, or clear narrator in many other instances before.

The problem is, you know, I don't know that we're going to get the answer, Tim. You're absolutely right. There's no gray matter here. It's black, it's white, one or the other. And I'm not going to put a finger on the scale and say who is or isn't telling the truth, because I'm all about facts. But Kash Patel has not been a very careful, precise, or clear narrator in many other instances before.

I mean, debating we... saying he doesn't recollect a prosecutor interviewed him for hours in the grand jury, saying he's not aware of the appointees that are some of his best friends being installed inside the FBI, people we're told he handpicked. But I don't think we're going to get an answer in any timely way.

I mean, debating we... saying he doesn't recollect a prosecutor interviewed him for hours in the grand jury, saying he's not aware of the appointees that are some of his best friends being installed inside the FBI, people we're told he handpicked. But I don't think we're going to get an answer in any timely way.

I mean, debating we... saying he doesn't recollect a prosecutor interviewed him for hours in the grand jury, saying he's not aware of the appointees that are some of his best friends being installed inside the FBI, people we're told he handpicked. But I don't think we're going to get an answer in any timely way.

We've had 17 inspector generals fired by the president in the last several days, right? And now... The Democrats of the Senate Judiciary Committee are asking the inspector general for the Department of Justice, one of the only ones that was not fired, to investigate this as quickly as possible. I don't see how this is going to happen quickly.

We've had 17 inspector generals fired by the president in the last several days, right? And now... The Democrats of the Senate Judiciary Committee are asking the inspector general for the Department of Justice, one of the only ones that was not fired, to investigate this as quickly as possible. I don't see how this is going to happen quickly.

We've had 17 inspector generals fired by the president in the last several days, right? And now... The Democrats of the Senate Judiciary Committee are asking the inspector general for the Department of Justice, one of the only ones that was not fired, to investigate this as quickly as possible. I don't see how this is going to happen quickly.

And I think it's going to be challenging for an inspector general to deliver on this question. Because remember, just yesterday, the inspector general for USAID, just to put this in context, was fired as soon as he delivered a report, fairly blistering report, explaining what the impact of Donald Trump's and Doge's cuts in that agency were.

And I think it's going to be challenging for an inspector general to deliver on this question. Because remember, just yesterday, the inspector general for USAID, just to put this in context, was fired as soon as he delivered a report, fairly blistering report, explaining what the impact of Donald Trump's and Doge's cuts in that agency were.

And I think it's going to be challenging for an inspector general to deliver on this question. Because remember, just yesterday, the inspector general for USAID, just to put this in context, was fired as soon as he delivered a report, fairly blistering report, explaining what the impact of Donald Trump's and Doge's cuts in that agency were.