Jonathan V. Last and Carol Leonnig: The Danger of a Weakened Bully
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What were the implications of Trump's recent election outcomes?
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How did the Hispanic vote impact the recent elections?
Hello and welcome to the Bullard Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. We've got a doubleheader up today. Could not be more excited about the second block with Carol Lennig, one of my favorite reporters who's moved over to MS Now from the Washington Post. She's got a new book out about the Justice Department that I've been devouring. But first, my buddy, my co-host on the Next Level Podcast, author of the Triad Newsletter, your favorite, Jonathan Victor Last, JVL. What's up, JVL?
Hey, man. It's nice to be here when things aren't, like, totally terrible. That's a first in a while.
Yeah. We're going to do some feelings at the end. I'm having some mixed feelings. I'm going to save that for people.
What are the challenges facing the Department of Justice under Trump?
We're going to do happy talk at the beginning. Then we'll go over my mixed feelings about everything. JBL, I wanted to grab you because it was just such a big win for the Democrats on Tuesday night and such a big wave. And we were talking on the next level, kind of live as it was coming in, kind of processing everything. So I wanted to just have a little bit of a deeper conversation. both analytical and emotional kind of recap of where things stand right now. And you did a newsletter yesterday on the Hispanic vote. That was a banger, as they all are. So I want to start talking about the Hispanic vote, and then we'll get into some more big picture stuff. Pretty stunning, just the degree to which the Republicans tanked.
all of their gains and then some with hispanic voters you know again admittedly these are in blue states maybe things are a little bit different in the border states but um but why don't you talk about what you found
Yeah, so here's what we found. I was looking at Union City, which is the most heavily Hispanic township in New Jersey. It's like 81, 82% Hispanic.
What actions might Trump take as a lame duck president?
So overwhelmingly Hispanic. And it's a pretty big place. They're up in Hudson County. And here is how Trump's vote share grew. He went in 2016, 19%. Okay. 2020, 28%. Twenty twenty four. Forty one percent. So this is like the big Hispanic realignment.
The Hispanics in Union City were like, man, the more I see of this guy.
Yeah, we're into that. That sounds like a great idea. So, I mean, you've read the things I won't like pretend like.
How is the Supreme Court's stance affecting Trump's policies?
Can you guess, Tim, what it was? But the answer is 15.1 percent. The Republican Jack Ciattarelli dropped from the Trump share of 41 to 15.1%. So, like, he lost 25% off of Trump's 2016 total. Mikey Sherrill was plus 50 in this county. And Steve Kornickai over at MS, I guess not.
Yeah. Let's say that you're not a TV watcher, which I love about you. JBL does not consume cable TV. Is that wrong?
Is he not on MS?
No, he's not anymore, actually. We've lost him off of MS now. He's on NBC.
What are the long-term consequences of Trump's actions on American democracy?
But it's pronounced Kornacki. Oh, okay. Steve Kornacki, the gay man with the khakis. Khaki, Kornacki, it rhymes. It's a bit.
I always knew him as a guy who wrote for Salon back in the day. I know. It's been a minute. Yeah. Anyway, so he went through and pulled the municipalities in Jersey with more than 60 percent Hispanic demographics. And there are one, two, three, four, like nine of them. And on average, they swung about 50 points against where they had been.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What were the implications of Trump's recent election outcomes?
0:00–1:13
2
How did the Hispanic vote impact the recent elections?
1:13–1:49
3
What are the challenges facing the Department of Justice under Trump?
1:49–2:53
4
What actions might Trump take as a lame duck president?
2:53–3:29
5
How is the Supreme Court's stance affecting Trump's policies?
3:29–4:08
6
What are the long-term consequences of Trump's actions on American democracy?
4:08–4:41
7
What insights does Carol Leonnig provide about the DOJ in her new book?
4:41–5:16
8
How can the DOJ regain credibility after recent political pressures?
5:16–59:03
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