Carole Hooven, Ph.D.

With low T?

Right, right.

It doesn't drop by that much.

All right.

And what matters is that you're in an environment where you see your little kids.

Like if you're a guy and you're mated and you have a partner and you're around your baby and you're interacting with your baby, your T is going to drop a little bit.

And that's a good thing.

And this is one of the reasons that supplementing with exogenous testosterone, there are so many different ways that male testosterone responds to and influences social dynamics.

And this is one of them that's really important.

You're a better dad, potentially, if your testosterone does drop.

You're potentially a better husband and more attentive to your wife and your kids.

I don't know that there's the experiment.

We do.

I would say, yeah, we do know.

I should have had the data and I don't have the answer, but it's shown across lots of different populations in humans and non-human animals that fatherhood, first of all, mating, being in a pair bond.

This is like what birds do when they finally, they're very aggressive when they're setting up their territory, their testosterone is high in the males.

When they find the female and establish a

a territory with her, the testosterone tends to drop because it's not adaptive to have high testosterone all the time.

It's why animals have mating seasons, etc.

Because it's expensive metabolically.