Carole Hooven, Ph.D.

No, no, no, no.

More so, certainly.

Yes.

That's what I'm hearing.

Yeah, I think I agree with the general thrust.

I mean, what's interesting is thinking about how, say, nurturing, we still need to nurture.

My baby was not always with me when I was working.

So there are solutions to that.

But I think that nurturing drive is still super strong and valuable.

And that is probably best for the kid if we indulge.

Yes.

Well, it's interesting because even in hunter-gatherers, there's very different traditions across hunter-gatherer societies in terms of expectations for paternal involvement.

And when there's high involvement, there's lower testosterone in those males that applies to humans.

In the father.

So for fathers to be very attentive, the testosterone generally is suppressed.

And that's true in birds where the males are contributing.

If you raise it, they neglect their kids.

So there is a hormonal support there for parenting.

So that's something that men can do to increase their reproductive success.

So I just want to say that I think that is not novel.