Carole Hooven, Ph.D.

Okay.

Yes.

I'm not super seriously, but my son was really into it for a while.

My brother, I know a lot of people who are obsessed with it.

But when I say what we're getting, I mean socially.

Competitive men, I'm not saying that women are not competitive or haven't made incredible social advances in all kinds of domains.

But what I am saying is that if we...

want to interfere with the male desire to compete, we are also interfering with whatever products we get or advances we get from that intense drive.

Being in academia, as I was for 25 years,

There's a lot that is produced because people want to be first.

They want to nail finding this gene or be the first to make a certain discovery.

It's tremendously productive often, that insane drive that men have.

And I think women have less of it because we have kids.

We are designed to have the kids.

We don't have the same, I must do something else, have to produce this other thing with the same drive.

Again, there's tons of variation here.

There's tons of crossover.

This is just a pattern.

I think men have more of that, potentially because they're not designed to have kids, to produce them with their own bodies.

I hope you're not going to be in trouble.