Carole Hooven, Ph.D.

If you believe that all the differences are the result of society, then you're justified.

Potentially you're more justified in trying to create equal outcomes.

But if you deny biological differences, then you have more of a reason to do that.

But if you appreciate that they're real and that we have to grapple with them socially, then it's going to be more complicated.

So you go towards, she goes away, basically.

There are incredible- Or to be interested in cars.

Oh, and it's like ASMR for you?

Okay, I don't know what naturally aspirated.

They're too loud.

Yes.

And can we just remind your listeners that we are definitely not saying that there are no women interested in cars or that they can't be very enthusiastic.

What we're talking about is differences on average, especially those, not with the cars, but a lot of what we've been talking about are differences on average that persist throughout history, around the globe, and that are shared with non-human animals and for which we have a mechanism which makes sense

and that is differences in sex hormones.

I think I did it with my last book.

I pulled that off in the writing, in the book.

It was being in academia and talking about it in a way, just saying that male and female are real.

That was taken as undermining the rights of a certain group, essentially.

And there's just nothing that you can do about that.

I think the way to respond is to encourage people to engage with arguments instead of assassinate character.

That's part of what is very important to me is encouraging that and teaching people how to do that.