Caroline Cameron

They're still freaking out.

Yeah, that's good.

Sam just said a few moments ago he was feeling grounded.

I agree with you, Sam, too.

I think both for this meeting with Matthews and the meeting with Berube, more so even with Berube, is it is fact-finding mission time, right?

Like, it is information gathering.

And then also with Matthews, but I don't think it should be the majority of the meeting, is where's your head at?

And then when we find out where's your head at, can we sell you on this plan that we have?

But I still think it's more information gathering.

So do you...

Pick a different player at the top of the draft, though, depending on if you get an inclination if Matthews wants to stay or not.

No, but I do think, I do think the Leafs will and probably should pick McKenna.

But the more I hear from people like Bukla or even Sam, even though I know Sam says McKenna now, is if you think of where the Leafs are right now and you want short-term fix, say,

for argument's sake, is Stenberg's the better two-way player and he's better defensively, right?

And Buchla says that's why you should take him, even though it's splitting hairs between he and McKenna.

And then if you also think of options that could be on the table, and the Leafs will keep using the word due diligence and they'll do their due diligence before the draft.

But you could consider...

The defenseman.

While not as close to McKenna or Stenberg, they're there, or you trade the pick to try and get a defenseman who could help you right now.

That would help the Leafs right now.