Caroline Foran

I am now.

But what I love learning, and this was, again, something that I was kind of late to the party on, which is in the book, is this idea of...

the pain pleasure balance in our brain.

So and I interviewed Dr. Anna Lembke.

She wrote Dopamine Nation for my podcast and she explained it to me so well and helped me be a little bit easier on myself about, you know, why I gravitate to the phone.

We think we're relaxing.

Obviously, we all know it's not helping us, but it's very hard to turn away from.

So when you're scrolling and you're obviously looking for this dopamine hit, it could be like seeing a top that you like and clicking on a link.

It could be adding to basket.

It could be seeing, I don't know, anything.

You're just, we have such immediate access to dopamine in the form of scrolling and we're looking for it.

And we might then also at the same time be getting flashes of all this horrific imagery from, you know, one minute it's an influencer doing a haul.

The next thing you scroll, it's like a visual of a dead baby in Gaza.

Like it's an onslaught on your senses.

But when you

when you're looking for a hit, when you're doing it like to try and relieve stress, you are pressing so much on the pleasure side of it that then our brain, which is really obsessed with homeostasis, overcorrects.

So if it's like a teeter-totter or like a

word.

What's it?

Seesaw.