Caroline Foran

Yeah.

So when we keep going towards pleasure, why we can feel so low after is because our brain has to correct that by balancing.

And then you feel this like withdrawal or you feel this lowness or this numbness or this, I didn't get it.

I need more.

So the pleasure plane thing is always working.

And that's why things like going for a swim in the cold water, when you actually intentionally press on the pain side, that's why we can feel so good afterwards, because then the brain overcorrects towards the pleasure and the feeling good stuff.

So it's always about that balance.

So I can know rationally and logically that I'm going to, I think I'm going to feel good by doing this.

But I know that when I step away from it, I just feel like drained.

I know that that's why that's happening now.

So I can say, OK, that makes sense.

And let's just allow for that because I would be the last person to say, yes, step away from your phone because it's so hard.

Like I need it for work.

And also when it comes to talking about the horrors of the world in live stream, constant drip fed through our phones.

Obviously, that's too much and we were never meant to be exposed to that much at any one time.

We've not got a nervous system designed for the way we live these days.

But at the same time, and I know that you agree with this, even though you have to take care of yourself, the solution is not protect your peace at all costs by not knowing what's going on in the world because...

That's all we have left is like our humanity and being able to, when we have that physical reaction of this feels awful because I'm seeing another person go through something hard, that feeling as awful as it is, is what will mobilize us to do things and to go up against what's happening, which feels, you know, you feel powerless.

But the solution is not just turn your phone away and don't look at the news.

We need to know what's going on because other people in other parts of the world depend on us to be outraged and to feel that anxiety.