Caroline Fraser

Yeah.

I mean, it's really almost unreal to think about the moral failure.

I mean, failure doesn't even seem strong enough.

Yeah, and they did for decades because, you know, this began in the 20s and 30s.

Yeah.

In the 1800s, they probably weren't thinking about stuff like that.

They didn't have data on it.

But by the time the companies really got up and running and the smelter in Tacoma was owned by a company called Asarco, which was the American smelting and refining company owned by the Guggenheim family.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's a total kind of whitewashing the reputation.

And they were among the earlier corporations to do that and totally successfully.

It has something to do with explosives, right?

Yeah.

I mean, the same thing happened with

The guy who invented the leaded gas formula, Thomas Midgley, who was really a terrible guy.

He invented the leaded gas stuff.

He also invented chlorofluorocarbons, you know, the stuff in refrigerants that cause the— Ozone layer hole?

The hole in the ozone layer.