Caroline Fraser

Oh, terrific.

So like two of the most devastating discoveries, scientific discoveries in the 20th century are down to the sky.

And he was awarded the highest medal from the American Chemistry Association, which he still holds.

I mean, even though he became really ill as a result, I think, of working with this –

Tetraethyl, it's called, the substance that was added to leaded gas.

And he, you know, went to Florida to try and heal himself of this, which I don't think you can do.

I mean, I...

I don't think going to Florida heals lead exposure.

But yes, and he developed something which was called polio.

He became unable to walk, and he invented this whole bizarre kind of system of pulleys that he could use to –

lift himself out of bed, and eventually he strangled to death in this sort of harness thing, which it may have been suicide, it may have been an accident, kind of unclear.

Yeah, I think that that has to do with the fact that women deal with fear, you know, fear of, and it may be very, you know, nebulous.

It may be kind of unclear what, you know, but a lot of women have just had the experience of fear.

being afraid walking alone at night or walking through a parking lot or, you know, or they've had direct experience of, you know, some kind of male violence or aggression, you know, at home, domestic violence.

I think there's a whole gamut of experiences that women have had to one extent or another that feed into that.

And for me, it was growing up just a couple of miles from the places where Ted Bundy began abducting women in the winter and summer of 1974.

And everybody knew there was somebody out there.

This is at a time when the term serial killer wasn't even really in use yet.

People didn't really understand the phenomenon.

It was still kind of an unusual term.