Caroline Hyde

What do you

How valuable is this data, right?

Because what PGM does is tell us their forecast for the next five years, summertime peak demand, wintertime peak demand.

And then they tell us that by 2035, they expect that demand forecast to keep growing.

That's quite a long time horizon.

Many, I've seen caterpillars stop, go way high because people have been trying to bring on local power generation in this way.

But you talk about SMRs, they're not really out there in the field yet.

I mean, that's something that we factor in at least in five years' time, right?

Can I get this straight then?

You think

that ultimately this power provider is underestimating how much power we're going to be needing in five years' time.

So what does that mean for the consumer?

You are someone who goes around and advises governments worldwide about what to do in terms of getting their data centers online.

What does that mean in terms of power prices for the everyday consumer?

Meri Paravi, we thank you for your time, CEO of International Data Center Authority, a pretty busy man right now.

Let's stick with ultimately that story about power grids, about PJM, about the outlook for the forecast and bring in Bloomberg's Noreen Malik, who's been writing up all about this for the un...

well, unbathed in deep knowledge of power and how it works here in the United States.

Is the outlook of 160 the right one, do you think?

How do they come to these sorts of numbers?

So now that shortfall is smaller.