Caroline Hyde

Like if Kelly Johnson were alive today and he owned a bunch of Lockheed Martin or Northrop Grumman or Raytheon, I don't think that anyone would have nearly much of a problem with him.

But yeah, I pay myself $100,000 a year.

That's my compensation package.

I own a bunch of Anduril because I started the company.

That's...

So my motivation is to try and build in the biggest thing possible.

I will say, people have fairly critiqued me and said, but Palmer, are you really a neutral party here?

Are you really in a position to comment, given you're competing with these companies?

And I'd say two things.

One, these measures do apply in equal measure to me.

I now cannot pay dividends.

I now cannot do stock buybacks if I'm not investing in new plants, if I'm not doing these new things.

The other thing is, it's always tricky when you want to...

You know, I'm in defense because I wanted to help solve these problems, right?

It's actually the same thing with, like, Mod Retro in the gaming space.

Like, oh, of course Palmer would criticize these other game companies.

After all, he's in the gaming space.

It's like, yeah, but I'm in the gaming space because I want to solve these problems.

It's kind of this, like, catch-22.

Like, if you're outside of it, they'll say, well, why don't you do something about it then?