Casey Handmer

But to build the solar, you have to go through this whole process.

And like if there's one thing that anyone listening to this can do, it would be like

have a categorical exemption for solar deployment or just like if I put money in escrow account that says like if after 20 years we have to pull this out, like we'll pull the solar out of the desert and it goes back to being desert, right?

I will do that in a heartbeat.

But like if I have to hire another biologist for $10,000 to be like,

Well, on that 40-acre plot, we found a tuft of grass, which we believe might be a critical, you know, one of the 20 species that this particular species of bee sometimes eats.

And this species of bee is not technically endangered, but it might be at some point in the future.

Therefore, you can't deploy there, even though it's like zoned unrestricted industrial and it's sandwiched between a rocket test stand and like a chemical plant, for example.

Right.

in an industrial part of the desert, I'm going to become the Joker.

It is insane.

I just think we need to be a bit balanced about this.

I don't want it to like drive species into extinction, but like the meta problem here is if we don't move our industrial stack off fossil fuels in 10 or 20 years, first of all, we'll get poor the same way UK did, right?

Because they ran out of coal basically.

And the second thing is we'll get poor because we'll flood our coastal cities in Florida underneath climate change.

We need solar synthetics for that part.

We also need to do sulfur injection and a couple other things.

That's a really great question.

So actually, you and I had a conversation along these lines almost two years ago when we first met.

And-