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Casey Handmer

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Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

well, you can start solving problems.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

It turns out that if you want to chemically reduce silicon, you can do it electrolytically, like with less efficiency and a bunch like under a hydrogen rich atmosphere or something.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

And then, so one of the ways that silicon can be refined is by turning into silane, which is a silicon tetrahydride.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

I'm not really a chemist, but I think that's right.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

So SiH4, which is a gas.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

It's actually like methane, but one down on the periodic table.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

And don't breathe it though.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

And then once it's a gas, you can filter it from all the contaminants, which don't form gases or can be separated by density, much like how uranium is sometimes enriched, but much, much less difficult.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

And then heat it up to separate it back into pure silicon, where you can then precipitate out a...

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

I hadn't thought about that before, but there's this idea that evolution resulted in this continual ramification and complexification of the thermodynamic gradient.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

So you start off with very simple RNA-based organisms, and then you get this industrial economy.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

But it may be the case, and I don't have a strong reason to suspect one way or the other, that what we're seeing is the beginning stages of a collapse back towards the simplest possible thermodynamic to cognition stack, which is

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

We have fusion in stars and the inky blackness of space.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

And that provides our temperature gradient.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

And then the most efficient way to convert that into usable cognition is silicon.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

Like literally electrons being pushed across the Fermi gap in a solar array and then taking the return path through some like set of gates, making decisions about things and then like beaming lasers to their friends saying, hey, I just made up a new meme.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

creatures and then you might see like this big collapse um should i give you the opportunity to plug why uh why people should work for terraform yeah so actually just to give you introduction terraform is my day job it's a company i founded almost four years ago we are making synthetic natural gas from sunlight and air we are also working on other core primary materials stuff we also have a methanol process methanol and methane together uh

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

precursors to every hydrocarbon you could possibly want, another chemical with ammonia process, steel, desalination, and we can also make cement and a few other things.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

So basically everything that the primary industry does except for glass and paper.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

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