Casey Liss

juries that are ready to say that these kinds of practices are not just, oh, that's just the way it is and I accept it, but that apparently the lawyers were able to argue in a way that convinced the jury that, yeah, Google probably shouldn't be allowed to do this. Not that no company should ever be allowed to do this.

juries that are ready to say that these kinds of practices are not just, oh, that's just the way it is and I accept it, but that apparently the lawyers were able to argue in a way that convinced the jury that, yeah, Google probably shouldn't be allowed to do this. Not that no company should ever be allowed to do this.

Not that this is illegal, but that Google specifically, because of the things that they became convinced that Google has illegal monopoly power and so forth, Google shouldn't be allowed to do these things. And a lot of those things are some of the same stuff that Apple does. Again, surrounding circumstances are also different. Cases are different. Juries are going to be different.

Not that this is illegal, but that Google specifically, because of the things that they became convinced that Google has illegal monopoly power and so forth, Google shouldn't be allowed to do these things. And a lot of those things are some of the same stuff that Apple does. Again, surrounding circumstances are also different. Cases are different. Juries are going to be different.

The venue might be different. We'll see how it goes. I don't – this is not a neutral judgment for Apple. I think this is at least a slight negative because it happened in their country and it happened to the company that is the closest to being like Apple even though, again, there are big differences.

The venue might be different. We'll see how it goes. I don't – this is not a neutral judgment for Apple. I think this is at least a slight negative because it happened in their country and it happened to the company that is the closest to being like Apple even though, again, there are big differences.

And it happened with a US jury that found some of the same things that Apple does were illegal if you have monopoly power.

And it happened with a US jury that found some of the same things that Apple does were illegal if you have monopoly power.

It's because they never had an opening for competition. So it was like the illusion of competition making, you know, deals or you can do X, you can do Y, you can do Z. But then like coercing them through other means is found to be worse than just saying, look, there are no relationships with third party stores. We don't allow third party stores. We never have. We never will.

It's because they never had an opening for competition. So it was like the illusion of competition making, you know, deals or you can do X, you can do Y, you can do Z. But then like coercing them through other means is found to be worse than just saying, look, there are no relationships with third party stores. We don't allow third party stores. We never have. We never will.

It's basically like when you buy the iPhone in the before DMA days, when you buy the iPhone, you're not buying it with any expectation that there are third party stores where you bought an Android phone. It's like, oh, Android is open. I can get apps from anywhere. But the Google was essentially disallowing that. I think that was the gist of one of at least one of the arguments.

It's basically like when you buy the iPhone in the before DMA days, when you buy the iPhone, you're not buying it with any expectation that there are third party stores where you bought an Android phone. It's like, oh, Android is open. I can get apps from anywhere. But the Google was essentially disallowing that. I think that was the gist of one of at least one of the arguments.

It might be less than what Apple did for the DMA, though, don't you think?

It might be less than what Apple did for the DMA, though, don't you think?

Because Apple wrote so much code to make sure that they could do what they wanted to do in the way they wanted, where they could have just said, fine, third-party app source. You know what I mean? Like, it's less work to allow more things, and Apple worked so hard and made so many frameworks, sometimes necessary, like trying to allow the browser engines while maintaining security.

Because Apple wrote so much code to make sure that they could do what they wanted to do in the way they wanted, where they could have just said, fine, third-party app source. You know what I mean? Like, it's less work to allow more things, and Apple worked so hard and made so many frameworks, sometimes necessary, like trying to allow the browser engines while maintaining security.

Like, I think that was necessary, but sometimes not necessary. Like...

Like, I think that was necessary, but sometimes not necessary. Like...

yeah yeah but you know hey that's that's part of the danger of having a judgment go against you you don't get to decide suddenly you have to do a bunch of stuff not on your schedule not when you want to do it not how you want to do it but because a court ordered you to do it and that's not no one wants to develop software that way that's the danger of losing court cases if you had actually self-regulated and been a little bit uh you know less uh controlling you could have set your own schedule to do stuff like this but yeah

yeah yeah but you know hey that's that's part of the danger of having a judgment go against you you don't get to decide suddenly you have to do a bunch of stuff not on your schedule not when you want to do it not how you want to do it but because a court ordered you to do it and that's not no one wants to develop software that way that's the danger of losing court cases if you had actually self-regulated and been a little bit uh you know less uh controlling you could have set your own schedule to do stuff like this but yeah