Casey Liss

mostly because google didn't totally disallow all this stuff they had a system that ostensibly allowed it but then they did anti-competitive things to stop it from happening which you would think isn't that isn't what apple's doing even worse but in the past legal cases apple has come out ahead because they're like apple never even pretended they were allowing this there's not they weren't you know illegally restraining what should have been competition there never was any competition it was never allowed at all and obviously the eu thinks that's bad but

mostly because google didn't totally disallow all this stuff they had a system that ostensibly allowed it but then they did anti-competitive things to stop it from happening which you would think isn't that isn't what apple's doing even worse but in the past legal cases apple has come out ahead because they're like apple never even pretended they were allowing this there's not they weren't you know illegally restraining what should have been competition there never was any competition it was never allowed at all and obviously the eu thinks that's bad but

So far, this has actually helped them in U.S. cases.

So far, this has actually helped them in U.S. cases.

And who knows how destructive it will actually be, by the way. Because obviously it is destructive in that it destroys the thing that these people wanted to have. Because what they had before was what they wanted to have because they got to choose. And that's what they wanted. But like, as we've said many times over, I think it would actually behoove these companies to...

And who knows how destructive it will actually be, by the way. Because obviously it is destructive in that it destroys the thing that these people wanted to have. Because what they had before was what they wanted to have because they got to choose. And that's what they wanted. But like, as we've said many times over, I think it would actually behoove these companies to...

have to compete right to to eventually have this competition force on them what we would hope is that it would force them to make better products and services because now there's competition so all the things that we would complain about about these services they would say well there's no competition so they can get away with being that crappy because in the end they're

have to compete right to to eventually have this competition force on them what we would hope is that it would force them to make better products and services because now there's competition so all the things that we would complain about about these services they would say well there's no competition so they can get away with being that crappy because in the end they're

still big and someone in the chat room said uh chris said the idea that you can't make a closed platform because the law explicitly says you can't is insane just to reiterate you can make a closed platform there's absolutely no problem with that the only time there becomes a problem is if you are if you are found to have monopoly power and found to have abused that monopoly power and if you're just making a closed platform you probably don't have monopoly power because you're a dinky little startup and it will take years and years and years

still big and someone in the chat room said uh chris said the idea that you can't make a closed platform because the law explicitly says you can't is insane just to reiterate you can make a closed platform there's absolutely no problem with that the only time there becomes a problem is if you are if you are found to have monopoly power and found to have abused that monopoly power and if you're just making a closed platform you probably don't have monopoly power because you're a dinky little startup and it will take years and years and years

if you're lucky for you to gain monopoly power and we could argue about, is it a duopoly because Apple and Google are rare, but there's no arguing that there is like a diversity of competition in the mobile phone app marketplace. There's two things, two main things, especially in the U S and the rest of the world. There's more like in China and everything, but like,

if you're lucky for you to gain monopoly power and we could argue about, is it a duopoly because Apple and Google are rare, but there's no arguing that there is like a diversity of competition in the mobile phone app marketplace. There's two things, two main things, especially in the U S and the rest of the world. There's more like in China and everything, but like,

That amount of power is found to be by the EU, obviously, and also by US courts to require a different set of rules to apply to you. So it's not like you can't make things integrated or whatever. It's like when you get to a certain size, when the decisions that you make, I think Jason Snell talked about this on Upgrade recently, when you get so big that the things that you decide to do affect...

That amount of power is found to be by the EU, obviously, and also by US courts to require a different set of rules to apply to you. So it's not like you can't make things integrated or whatever. It's like when you get to a certain size, when the decisions that you make, I think Jason Snell talked about this on Upgrade recently, when you get so big that the things that you decide to do affect...

Like the world economy and the competition across an entire industry, that's when different sets of rules apply to you. And it's easy for that to sneak up on you and it's easy for you to stay in the mindset of just like never give an inch, keep everything. And you wake up one day and you're like the biggest company in the world and you and Google control mobile phones almost entirely.

Like the world economy and the competition across an entire industry, that's when different sets of rules apply to you. And it's easy for that to sneak up on you and it's easy for you to stay in the mindset of just like never give an inch, keep everything. And you wake up one day and you're like the biggest company in the world and you and Google control mobile phones almost entirely.

Yeah, and you get these judgments to go against you. And I think the other thing that's interesting about this case is it was a case in the U.S. and there was a jury. And the jury basically bought a lot of the arguments that are in the complaint that the DOJ has filed against Apple.

Yeah, and you get these judgments to go against you. And I think the other thing that's interesting about this case is it was a case in the U.S. and there was a jury. And the jury basically bought a lot of the arguments that are in the complaint that the DOJ has filed against Apple.

Doing these things, if you're found to have monopoly power and you do these things like tying your payment system to the App Store... the jury found that that's a thing that they shouldn't be allowed to do. Well, Apple does that. And, you know, paying people to not go into rival stores or wherever. Apple doesn't do that because they just forbid the rival stores. But it shows that there are U.S.

Doing these things, if you're found to have monopoly power and you do these things like tying your payment system to the App Store... the jury found that that's a thing that they shouldn't be allowed to do. Well, Apple does that. And, you know, paying people to not go into rival stores or wherever. Apple doesn't do that because they just forbid the rival stores. But it shows that there are U.S.