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Casey Newton

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Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

I do continue to identify as the Silicon Valley editor of The Verge, so I'm glad you feel the same way.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

As you know, Nilay, for basically the past 20 years, companies have been able to use Section 230 as a shield, and whenever there is any remotely content-related challenge to any of these platforms in court, they just get dismissed out of hand.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

The reason that these cases are bellwethers is that if they were successful, it would open up this new front for litigation, and these companies could no longer just automatically use Section 230 as a shield.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

And that now indeed has happened, and we're expecting there will now be dozens more lawsuits proceeding along exactly these same lines.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

So I think the Snapchat case was a really important precedent.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

It's this case Lemon versus Snap.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

Snapchat used to offer this filter where you could turn it on and take a video of yourself in your car, and it would show how fast you were going.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

And plaintiffs successfully argued that this had created an incentive within the app for people to go really, really fast and do dangerous things.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

And indeed, in this particular case, there was a dangerous crash.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

So the reason that that was important

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

was all of a sudden the 230 shield isn't absolute, right?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

There have already been a couple of minor exceptions for like, you know, you can't post about, the platforms have to remove like terrorism and CSAM.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

But now we're saying, okay, you can't actually offer a filter like this because it might incentivize a terrible behavior.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

This is what sort of opens up the rest of the landscape for the plaintiff's attorneys.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

They're able to say like, well, what other design features are there of these platforms and what incentives are they creating?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

We're not going to talk about, you know, the actual messages that are being traded back and forth on Snapchat or, you know, the actual content of the post on the Instagram feed.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

But we are going to ask about things like infinite scroll and autoplay video and push notifications that arrive continuously throughout the night and might disrupt your sleep.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

And all of a sudden they were able to find purchase because they had that initial precedent.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

I think that the plaintiffs were able to successfully argue infinite scroll is not the speech of others, right?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

There's no sort of liability of another person that gets involved here.

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