Casey Newton

Plus, we've got a bunch of other great guests, including friend of the pod and fellow tech podcaster Dwarkesh Patel, AI as Normal Technology co-author Sayash Kapoor, and AI 2027 author Daniel Coccatello.

Can't avoid us.

And that was our system update.

What year is it?

Are we snapping again?

We're snapping.

Hard Fork is produced by Rachel Cohn and Whitney Jones.

We're edited by Viren Pavic.

We're fact-checked by Caitlin Love.

Today's show was engineered by Katie McMurrin.

Original music by Alicia Baitup, Marion Lozano, Rowan Nemisto, Alyssa Moxley, and Dan Powell.

Video production by Viren Pavic, Jake Nickel, and Chris Schott.

You can watch this episode on YouTube at youtube.com slash hardfork.

Special thanks to Paula Schumann, Pui Wing Tam, and Dahlia Haddad.

You can email us, as always, at hardfork at nytimes.com.

Reunited at last.

I am, yes.

I got to see some friends last night, got to go to Brooklyn.

I'm not seeing a show, but I am staying in Times Square, so I feel like I'm seeing a show every morning.

Wow.