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Casey Newton

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Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

And if you delete section 230, you're going to get more of it.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

So no, it doesn't make any sense.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

I have complicated feelings too, because I want Section 230 to exist so that platforms can host political speech, all sorts of speech.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

I think that it creates the possibility for platforms that are very rich and vibrant and fun.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

At the same time, there's this 230 case that I paid a lot of attention to as a gay guy about Grindr.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

You guys, I'm sure, are familiar with this case.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

But basically, there's this horrible ex that's like, I'm going to get back at my ex by posting his photos on Grindr.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

And I'm going to send everyone his physical address and say, go to this guy's house.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

And he's going to indulge in your craziest fantasies and give you drugs.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

and this gets tossed out because of Section 230, right?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

They sue Grindr, saying, like, this is awful, you gotta do something, and Grindr is like, 230, and the case goes away.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

That seems really awful for the victim of that case.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

Like, if I were in that situation, I'd be really mad at Grindr, too.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

At the same time...

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

why should 230 be the thing that gets that person justice?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

Why don't we just take online harassment and violence more seriously in this country?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

So this is kind of how I square the circle is by saying Section 230 in general does still support the kind of internet that I want.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

And for a lot of the harms, mostly not the ones we're talking about today, but for a lot of the harms that do absolutely get enabled and protected by 230, I think we can probably find other ways of addressing the harm.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

But here's another thought experiment.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

What if the brain trust over at Meta got together and said, what would Instagram look like if it were great for teenagers?