Cassie McCullagh

Well, you shouldn't be ashamed.

But no, I'm not shocked.

But I do know, Kate, that you did dabble in fantasy a little earlier this year.

You were telling us about reading some Afrofuturism.

Yeah, it's incredibly diverse, particularly sci-fi fantasy.

Is that life something or rather?

Yeah.

Yeah, I started that last night.

Oh, I look forward to continuing to read that and to also that interview.

But that sounds like it's a long way from where Raymond E. Feist has his headspace because this is real old school sci-fi fantasy.

It's not even sci-fi.

This is straight up fantasy and it's come from the 80s, really, it feels like.

So sort of swords and sandals and dragons?

Well, not even the dragons so far.

Oh, I like a dragon.

Well, we don't know yet, actually, because this is just the beginning of this Firemane saga.

That's right.

George Williams is a constitutional lawyer.

He's the Dean of Law at the University of New South Wales and the Anthony Mason Fellow there.

So he's got some serious cred in the law field, but confession time, he's a big fantasy reader too.