Catherine Austin Fitts

Catherine Austin Fitz, thank you for doing this.

The first time we did an interview over a year ago, different worlds completely.

And I remember thinking, wow, I've rarely spoken to anyone who thinks in such big terms.

I mean, that is a compliment.

I wonder if this is all true.

I think time has proven you right.

We've had a couple of meals in the subsequent months.

And so I'm just, I just want to say, I think you're really wise and I'm grateful to have you.

Man.

Time is flying.

Yeah, I meet people in airports all the time who are like, I used to think I was a conspiracy theorist, but now I know I was, you know, but it's kind of a variety of that.

But last time we had lunch a couple months ago, you were telling me about, and I wish we had this on tape, but we can recreate it here, about the control grid, a concept that you had explained when we last did an interview, and how it was, as you said at lunch, snapping into place constantly.

Can you just, for people who haven't seen your previous talk, explain what the control grid is, what it looks like and what it means?

So you're talking about the 12-day war against Iran in June of 2025.

Correct.

We were led to believe just as newspaper readers or news consumers that those 11 Iranian officials were targeted with human intelligence.

you know, that Israel had spies inside of Iran, but you're saying that was done digitally.

I thought those were for AI.

Is spatial control movement control?

I have so many questions.