Cecilia Muñoz

And we stopped having a conversation that included advocates and folks who were governing or folks who were seeking to govern about how can this actually work? And advocates instead landed in a place where they focused on the trade-offs that were part of the comprehensive immigration reform model, right?

And we stopped having a conversation that included advocates and folks who were governing or folks who were seeking to govern about how can this actually work? And advocates instead landed in a place where they focused on the trade-offs that were part of the comprehensive immigration reform model, right?

The getting to the back of the line, the fact that some people legalized, but not everybody, and decided that that was trading off A benefit for some people at the expense of other people and that they, in fact, tossed out the entire comprehensive immigration reform model and began really to focus pretty heavily on enforcement.

The getting to the back of the line, the fact that some people legalized, but not everybody, and decided that that was trading off A benefit for some people at the expense of other people and that they, in fact, tossed out the entire comprehensive immigration reform model and began really to focus pretty heavily on enforcement.

And then, of course, there was a heck of a lot of terrible to respond to in the Trump years. You know, and that, I think, the response to Trump, I think, contributed to the singular focus of where the advocacy community landed. And look, that is heroic work. It's incredibly difficult work, incredibly emotional work. Like, you know, they took people's children.

And then, of course, there was a heck of a lot of terrible to respond to in the Trump years. You know, and that, I think, the response to Trump, I think, contributed to the singular focus of where the advocacy community landed. And look, that is heroic work. It's incredibly difficult work, incredibly emotional work. Like, you know, they took people's children.

And the advocates that I'm talking about were at the front lines of addressing that. I have nothing but respect for that work and for the people who do it. But the...

And the advocates that I'm talking about were at the front lines of addressing that. I have nothing but respect for that work and for the people who do it. But the...

When you were describing the job of advocates is to push and the job of people who are governing is to govern, when we do it really well, all of those people's jobs is also to be in a conversation about what the policy solution is to the problem at hand. And as an advocate, you are, of course, pushing for the best possible outcome, but you're in the conversation.

When you were describing the job of advocates is to push and the job of people who are governing is to govern, when we do it really well, all of those people's jobs is also to be in a conversation about what the policy solution is to the problem at hand. And as an advocate, you are, of course, pushing for the best possible outcome, but you're in the conversation.

And that conversation has really broken down. And as a result, Democrats don't have a working theory of the case that they can say out loud about how to address the border situation. And that's tragic because this Democratic administration is actually kind of doing it pretty well. But we can't talk about it because you get shot at.

And that conversation has really broken down. And as a result, Democrats don't have a working theory of the case that they can say out loud about how to address the border situation. And that's tragic because this Democratic administration is actually kind of doing it pretty well. But we can't talk about it because you get shot at.

Yeah, it's going to be worse. We know that. Maybe not in all the ways that he has promised, because some of the stuff he wants to do is going to be pretty hard for him to do, but it's going to be worse. I think the thing we didn't do as well as I would have liked last time is have a consistent narrative that makes it clear.

Yeah, it's going to be worse. We know that. Maybe not in all the ways that he has promised, because some of the stuff he wants to do is going to be pretty hard for him to do, but it's going to be worse. I think the thing we didn't do as well as I would have liked last time is have a consistent narrative that makes it clear.

There is a goal that generally the American public agrees on, which is to bring order and fairness to this system. That goal is valid. We didn't say that. But there's a right way and a wrong way to go about achieving it. And we are about to tell you, we're about to see a lot of what the wrong way looks like.

There is a goal that generally the American public agrees on, which is to bring order and fairness to this system. That goal is valid. We didn't say that. But there's a right way and a wrong way to go about achieving it. And we are about to tell you, we're about to see a lot of what the wrong way looks like.

The harms of what the Trump administration is about to do, the greatest harms are likely to be visited on children. I think we're likely to see workplace raids, for example. We saw those in the George W. Bush era. What that looks like is kids go to school in the morning, and when they come back at the end of the day, their parents are gone. So those kinds of, we know that that's what happens.

The harms of what the Trump administration is about to do, the greatest harms are likely to be visited on children. I think we're likely to see workplace raids, for example. We saw those in the George W. Bush era. What that looks like is kids go to school in the morning, and when they come back at the end of the day, their parents are gone. So those kinds of, we know that that's what happens.

We are sadly, tragically about to be able to tell the story to the American public about what it costs those families, what it costs those kids, what it costs those communities and what it costs all of us. That narrative should also include that this is the wrong way to go about accomplishing the country's goals, but there is a right way. And the goal is not the problem.

We are sadly, tragically about to be able to tell the story to the American public about what it costs those families, what it costs those kids, what it costs those communities and what it costs all of us. That narrative should also include that this is the wrong way to go about accomplishing the country's goals, but there is a right way. And the goal is not the problem.