Cenk Uygur

When Morning Joe still defends him and you see an objective reality, Biden didn't actually propose that bill, you know that they're lying to you. Test it against objective reality. Did it actually happen or didn't it?

Sometimes when we have long, thoughtful conversations like this, I'll say it depends a lot. And then people get frustrated by that. But then you're frustrated by the world because it depends. So conspiracy theories. If you say, are they all right or are they all wrong, already the question's wrong. So it depends. What is the conspiracy theory?

So if it's some of the absurd ones we've mentioned here, that's easily disproven, right? On the other hand, there's a conspiracy theory about JFK's assassination. Which one's the conspiracy theory? That Lee Harvey Oswald from like 12 miles away shot a magic bullet that went like this and hit like 13 people and came out Kennedy's brain?

Or that the government might have wanted to cover up an assassination of the president for whatever reason? Okay, come on. Now, I'm of course doing hyperbole and like the JFK enthusiasts will be like, no, the bullet didn't actually go like this. It didn't actually hit 13 people. I'm kidding, guys, okay?

But in terms of, is that conspiracy theory real that JFK was not just killed by Lee Harvey Oswald? Almost certainly. Right. And so if you read real books with tons of information, the most likely culprit is Alan Dulles, the head of the CIA that he fired. Back when there was a deep state, there actually was a deep state.

They did coups against other countries' leaders all the time, but they tell us, oh, they wouldn't do it to our own leader. But remember, it's not the CIA. He'd left the CIA already, right? So I don't know if it was ex-CIA guys. I don't know if the mob was involved. I don't know any of those details. But I know things that are obvious. That bullet didn't magically hit him from over there.

As Jack Ruby killed Lee Harvey Oswald, Jack Ruby was a mobster who on the record had said that he hated Kennedy. All of a sudden he became patriotic overnight and shot the assailant who was unguarded. Maybe less likely. Okay. So let's speed up though. So my point is, yeah, some conspiracy theories could be true. It depends on objective reality, right? You get to Epstein.

Again, I always do it ahead of time. because I want you to test me and see, does it match objective reality? So I said, the minute that it happened, you'll have your answer based on whether the video in the hallway worked or not. If the video in the hallway works, there'll be just as many conspiracy theories, but it'll show actually who went in and didn't go in. Okay.

But if the video in the hallway doesn't work, they definitely killed him. Okay. So a couple of days later, Oh, the video in that particular hallway happened to not be working. And the guards both happened to be on break at the same time. And the most notorious pedophile criminal in the country happened to be unguarded. And that is the one time he decided to hang himself.

Listen, man, the only way you believe that is if you got mainstream media to get you to believe that the word... that the minute the phrase conspiracy theory is mentioned, you have to shut off your mind. And you have to believe whatever the media tells you.

No, no, they've greatly waned in power. Interesting. So in the old days, the CIA has an actual deep state. And because the country was run by a bunch of families, right? So you go to Yale, the Skull and Bones thing was real, right? And you go to Harvard, you go to this, and half the, look at the Dulles family, right? Half of them go into government, the other half go into banking.

Why are the Central American countries called banana republics? Because we, America, did a coup against one of those countries because a banana company wanted it. Okay. Because they're like, how dare you charge whatever you want for your natural resource? We American corporations have the right to all of your natural resources at the lowest possible rate. Alan, get rid of these guys. Okay.

And Alan would. And so, and sometimes they would go extrajudicial, right? Like potentially with the JFK assassination. So, yeah. Now, and by the way, you pissed off J. Edgar Hoover, he was just going to put a bullet in your head and we were done with you. Okay. Fred Hampton, among others. So, but nowadays that's not how the world works.

So a small number of families cannot control a country and an economy this size. New people pop up. Well, Mark Zuckerberg wasn't part of those families. Elon Musk wasn't part of those families. Neither was Bezos, right? Right. for you to believe those conspiracy theories, you have to think that Bezos and Musk, et cetera, were like, oh, you guys are still running the country? No problem, go ahead.

They're not gonna do that, right? So now we've gotten into a system Where it's the invisible hand of the market that runs the country. But unfortunately, it's only for the powerful. And so it's more of a machine. And they don't do, and this is super interesting in ties to what we were talking about earlier, Lex, which is that they don't do political assassinations anymore.

They do character assassinations. That's the needle in the haystack thing. And if you do an assassination of someone, you build up their status. They become a martyr and you build up their cause. But if you do a character assassination, you smear the cause with the person. and the cause goes down, not up. So the market found a better way of getting rid of agitating outsiders.

So look, we're not in on it. So we, there's no way we can know. Right. But I just always go back to logic. So he has dirt on a lot of powerful people. He dies in a way that is an obvious murder and not a suicide and And then you begin to think, who would have enough power to be able to get away with that crime? And that is a very limited number of either people or governments, right? Yeah.

So that's probably your answer without knowing anything that's internal.

If people wanted to get to peace, it's relatively straightforward. There's already a deal that was negotiated. The Saudis agreed to it, and they're an important player in this game. The Palestinians and the Israelis have initially agreed to it. Even Hamas has kind of agreed to it. That deal exists, and it's just waiting on the shelf to get done, right? And it's pretty straightforward.

Israel gets out of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, but they keep an X percentage of It used to be 4%, then it went up to 6%. It's probably a higher number now. The Palestinians keep losing leverage as we go, right? So you remember how hard it was to get a deal on Ukraine, I thought. That's a very complicated one. Israel is much more straightforward. Get the hell out of the occupying territories.