Cenk Uygur
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Keep some of the God, like... Those settlements are the worst thing. They're cancer. But anyway, I don't know. But there is an answer to the settlements, and it's probably that Israel keeps them, even though that drives me crazy. No right of return for Palestinians. There'll be symbolic right of return for a couple of families. And so Palestinians go, oh, no way. Guys, you have no leverage.
Take the deal. Take the deal, okay? So you're not going to get a right of return. Israel's not going to allow millions of Palestinians to go and vote in Israel. It would end the Jewish state. You have to get to a practical solution. So... Honestly, the number one person blocking it now is Netanyahu. That's obvious. That doesn't take a lot of courage to say that.
He says publicly, I don't want a Palestinian state. I'm against a two-state solution. He's been monstrous. He's one of the worst terrorists of my lifetime. So that's easy. The right wing of Israel has lost its mind. So the Smotrich and the Ben-Gavir is openly talking about ethnic cleansing and driving them into other Arab countries. I mean, this is the definition of ethnic classing.
So, but is like, I know that the Arabs are going to take the deal. Saudi Arabia cannot wait to take the deal because they just want to get business going, right?
So I have a solution where you don't need Hamas. But yes, Hamas would definitely take the deal. Hamas already publicly said that they would even get rid of, that Israel doesn't have a right to exist. But there's so much propaganda in American media, it's maddening, right? So, and this idea that you don't deal with Hamas is so dumb.
So the reason it's dumb is you don't negotiate with your friends, you negotiate with your enemies, right? Well, I won't don't want to negotiate with them. I don't like them. Well, then you're not going to get to peace. Right. But still there is a path that doesn't include Hamas. So make a deal with Fatah that runs the best West bank. Then they get right now Fatah went into Gaza strip.
They wouldn't be able to manage it because they don't have enough credibility. They're mainly seen as in cahoots with the occupiers. Whereas Hamas is hardcore and fighting against the occupiers. but if Fatah delivers not only a peace deal, but a Palestinian state, then they come in as heroes. So you make the deal with them, you let them run the Gaza Strip, and you empower them to drive out Hamas.
That way... They do your dirty work for you in a sense, right? But good because Hamas is a terrorist organization. They're not helpful. And especially if the Palestinians get a state, the violence has to stop immediately. That's the whole point. The trade is you get a state, Israel gets safety and peace. So no more rockets at Israel. No more rockets.
If you do any other rockets and Israel does the barbaric thing they just did, Even I would say, hey brother, we had a peace deal. So if you violate a peace deal and you do a bomb, they're gonna do a bomb and their bomb is much larger. And by the way, can it work? It already has worked. Israel already did it with Egypt. So Egypt was 100 times Hamas.
Egypt gathered all the Arab armies and actually physically invaded Israel when Israel could lose and they did it several times. And Lex, at the time, not just the Warhawks, but most people thought there's no way Egypt will keep that peace deal. Oh, they're suckers. We're giving them the Sinai Peninsula back, and then they're just going to keep bombing and attacking us.
There hasn't been a single bomb from Egypt since the peace deal. Peace deals work. War gets you more war. Peace deals get you peace. And you should neverβthis is true of all of life. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. So if you're saying, well, I'm not positive that a peace deal is going to be perfectβ And 12 more rockets might be fired. Well, brother, what do we have now, right?
We have endless rockets now. If Israel is supposed to be a safe haven for Jews, and I get it and I want it, okay, then become a safe haven. The way that you're a safe haven is stop the occupation. It's not complicated. And the reason they're not, let's be honest, the reason the right-wing government of Israel is not stopping the occupation is because they want to take more and more land.
And so they have throughout time taken way more of the West bank than they had originally. And now Netanyahu is saying, I want a corridor at the, in the middle of Gaza, and I want a corridor at the border of Egypt. Now we're back to occupying Gaza physically, let alone through power and et cetera.
It's going to sound outlandish, but I can get you a ceasefire almost overnight if Bibi's gone. Because the Israeli negotiators have said publicly, not publicly, it got leaked and it was in the Israeli press. You have to give us a little bit of wiggle room. If you don't give us a little bit of wiggle room, obviously they're not going to do the deal. And he's like, I know.
That's why he's not giving them the wiggle room. So don't ask for land in Gaza. Get the hell out of Gaza. You ceasefire. That's the easy part. So the hard part is the occupation, ending the occupation. But even that, I can get it to you in two months as long as Israel actually wants a deal. So go to an election, get rid of Netanyahu, put in Benny Gantz. Is Benny Gantz an angel?
No, he's the one that ordered all the bombings of Gaza to begin with, right? Look, Benny Gantz has got... massive war crimes on his record so don't worry he's not a softy okay but he's not my favorite guy in the world to say the least but Benny Gantz can do a peace deal if he wants to so look only one group of people can actually settle this Well, there's actually two groups of people.
One is the Israeli population. You vote in someone who wants to do a peace deal, you'll get a peace deal. Okay. Number two is the American president. So if I'm the American president, I'm saying in a hypothetical, right? Or any American president that actually wants to get a peace deal done. You just say, I'm going to cut the funding. Israel will do the deal immediately.
They don't say they want to cut the funding because AIPAC gives them a hundred million dollars. It's not complicated, not 1% complicated. So Lex, tell me this, okay? So if the US president said, I'm gonna cut the funding, do you think that it might have a giant problem for Netanyahu? Might it hurt his government? Might they have to go to an election?
Would Israeli politicians, let alone the population, begin to really, really worry that they're gonna lose an enormous source of funding and weapons?
So why wouldn't we use our leverage? It's crazy not to use our leverage.