Chamath

I think it's important to say that the overwhelming majority of Sunnis and the overwhelming majority of Shias are peaceful, observant people.

There are fringes in every religion.

And in specifically this, I think the most important thing is to not take your word or anybody else's word

I do think it's important to listen to somebody like MBS because I think it's the lived experience of having to run a country in that neighborhood and what it means.

And I think what you see is, as you're articulating, many layers of complexity that, again, I think that most of us in the West have zero appreciation for.

All of this goes to, in the short term, I think that they forced themselves into a corner

I think we can go back and relitigate why did Obama let him out?

That was a really, really stupid idea.

We probably should have kept our thumb on the scale and had them close to teetering on economic insolvency.

That's the only thing that has kept them in check.

They veered wildly away the minute we let them out of the disarmament agreements that we had.

But we are where we are.

We got to put the genie back in the bottle.

And we cannot look to other countries and tolerate this idea that they also want to build the kinds of weapons that can literally destroy the face of the planet as we know it.

It's a non-starter.

And then the second order effect is

How do we make sure that folks that are participating in all of this broader seeds of sowing chaos, how do we hem them in?

And how do we create a more reasonable world order?

And I think that the second order effects, and I've said this before, kind of bring this back to China.

And I think a world where it's bipolar, where it's the United States and China, roughly as the two leading countries,