Chantal Hebert

And I had said that in the past, but it has increased over the past month.

increasingly the Conservative Party is led by Pierre Poilievre, is out of the conversation in this country, the political conversation.

Jason Kenney this week, and we've just demonstrated that, was more of a part of the national conversation than the leader of the Federal Conservative Party who aspires to become prime minister.

Between two golf games, we thought of this question.

We're not going to know what to do with anything about it.

There are always similarities.

I mean, Mr. Carney's love of history, which is apparent every time he gives a news conference, brings him closer to Stephen Harper, I think, than Jean Chrétien.

I think they both share that.

But when I kind of turned, I knew you were going there, but I kind of turned your question around.

You would have asked the same thing about Pierre Trudeau.

Does he compare it to any of the, and your answer would have been no.

You could have asked the same question about Stephen Harper, an introvert whose conservatism was grounded in a place that was not John Diefenbaker or Brian Mulroney's place.

I look back at the prime ministers I've covered and all of them,

had significant differences from the others in many ways.

Think of Jean Chrétien, someone who came to politics

with very low expectations that he would become the very deft political animal with the instincts that he had that brought him to be a long-lasting prime minister.

Brian Mulroney was a different kind of animal altogether.

I think the biggest difference between Mark Carney and maybe Jean Chrétien and Brian Mulroney and John Turner, if we're going to go there, is I don't think Mark Carney spent his life thinking that the path to the top job in the country involved being in active politics.

that he made this life even more than Brian Mulroney somewhere else.

Brian Mulroney wanted that job.