Chantal Hebert

So rather than say that, he kind of tries to suggest that

that some elite that is divorced from all Canadians is in play on Parliament Hill.

That frankly sounds more like a conspiracy theory than a leader articulating a vision for the country.

So do I believe there is redemption for Mr. Poiliev in the short term?

No, I think he's playing a survival game.

And with three years,

I don't really see a terribly positive outcome for him if he keeps on harping with the same messages, Carney, Trudeau, Carney, Trudeau.

People have tuned that out because it's not particularly relevant to anything important that is going on.

And I had said that in the past, but it has increased over the past month.

increasingly the Conservative Party is led by Pierre Poilievre, is out of the conversation in this country, the political conversation.

Jason Kenney this week, and we've just demonstrated that, was more of a part of the national conversation than the leader of the Federal Conservative Party who aspires to become prime minister.

Between two golf games, we thought of this question.

We're not going to know what to do with anything about it.

There are always similarities.

I mean, Mr. Carney's love of history, which is apparent every time he gives a news conference, brings him closer to Stephen Harper, I think, than Jean Chrétien.

I think they both share that.

But when I kind of turned, I knew you were going there, but I kind of turned your question around.

You would have asked the same thing about Pierre Trudeau.

Does he compare it to any of the, and your answer would have been no.

You could have asked the same question about Stephen Harper, an introvert whose conservatism was grounded in a place that was not John Diefenbaker or Brian Mulroney's place.