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Charles Duhigg

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
755 total appearances

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The Bulwark Podcast
Charles Duhigg: What MAGA Can Teach Democrats

But what you can do is you can welcome that person as a signal to everyone else who's more ambivalent, who's more in the center, that this is a place for you.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charles Duhigg: What MAGA Can Teach Democrats

Absolutely too boring.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charles Duhigg: What MAGA Can Teach Democrats

They made it really fun, right?

The Bulwark Podcast
Charles Duhigg: What MAGA Can Teach Democrats

And it's important to note at Turning Point USA, if you ask to become a student leader, like to start a chapter, the first thing the organization asks you to do is to read a book about the Obama campaign.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charles Duhigg: What MAGA Can Teach Democrats

called Groundbreakers, about how Obama organized so many volunteers and used the same playbook just on the other end of the spectrum.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charles Duhigg: What MAGA Can Teach Democrats

It was a copy of the Dean campaign, we should say.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charles Duhigg: What MAGA Can Teach Democrats

The Dean campaign was very heterodox.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charles Duhigg: What MAGA Can Teach Democrats

Very, very much.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charles Duhigg: What MAGA Can Teach Democrats

And you're exactly right.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charles Duhigg: What MAGA Can Teach Democrats

So in a couple of places, what Turning Point would do is they...

The Bulwark Podcast
Charles Duhigg: What MAGA Can Teach Democrats

Its local group would sponsor what's known as an affirmative action bake sale, where they would base the price of the baked good on the color of your skin.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charles Duhigg: What MAGA Can Teach Democrats

So whites who came up had to pay more than black students who came up to buy something.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charles Duhigg: What MAGA Can Teach Democrats

Now, what's amazing is that instead of Turning Point saying, you shouldn't do that, that's too disrespectful, Turning Point actually advertised that in its manual that it gives to students.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charles Duhigg: What MAGA Can Teach Democrats

It uses that as an example of what students might want to do to get attention.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charles Duhigg: What MAGA Can Teach Democrats

And the reason why it works is it's kind of fun, right?

The Bulwark Podcast
Charles Duhigg: What MAGA Can Teach Democrats

I mean, it's terrible.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charles Duhigg: What MAGA Can Teach Democrats

The values behind it are terrible.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charles Duhigg: What MAGA Can Teach Democrats

terrible.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charles Duhigg: What MAGA Can Teach Democrats

But if you're a college student walking across a campus and you see this thing that says affirmative action bake sale and you go over and you ask them what's going on and they're like, well, we don't think affirmative action makes any sense in education.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charles Duhigg: What MAGA Can Teach Democrats

So why would we do it in a bake sale?