Charli XCX

Like this is for me and my fans who like give a fuck about what I'm doing.

Um, and then obviously like it didn't really happen like that.

I like a lot more people than my hardcore fan base were into the record and I think

because I had had this prior journey before of like you know being in the background of the photos and like kind of like having this sort of like almost type moments I felt yeah like I'd kind of like seen so much and I'd also like experienced so much of what the industry is and how people come and go and how people treat you when you're on top versus when you're not and I think it's

not to be not to sound jaded it's not that I was jaded I think I'm just quite realistic about fame and the industry and how serious or unseriously you need to take it and yeah I don't know I feel I feel like really thankful that I got to have the experience that I had prior to Rat because I think it

I think I would have been a nightmare if I hadn't.

Honestly, really, I think it would have been quite a dangerous concoction of things all coming together.

Kind of flow state.

And also, I'm very bad at doing the thing where you look back and acknowledge success.

I'm kind of like, next thing, let's go.

I don't know.

I can sit here and talk to you guys and say, actually, yeah, it was really cool.

But in the moment, I wasn't really...

thinking like that.

And I think I find the whole sort of like social experiment of the whole thing really fascinating.

And I think the way that people interact with pop culture has always been like a huge inspiration to my work.

And so for me, this was sort of like, oh, my God, this was like the cherry on the cake of everything I had ever hoped for, because it was so interesting to see how people, fans, haters, brands,

presidential campaigns were interacting with, you know, what I was doing.

And I found it very, very, yeah, fascinating the way that, yeah, like trend cycles change.

happen.