Chapter 1: What is Charli XCX's new movie The Moment about?
Is that, you got it?
Yes, got it.
Okay. Um, we are going. Oh my god, CharlieXDX, what an honor.
Oh my god, what an honor to be here with you, Gabby.
Do people fully call you, like, CharlieXDX all the time?
um no no but you can if you want okay thank you yeah you're welcome um how are you i'm good i'm a little tired i've been like doing promo yes and stuff but this doesn't feel like promo this feels like a meeting of minds okay ah do you know what i mean yes yeah i feel like we are like meant to be friends
Oh my God, stop. Same. I mean, I feel like everyone feels that way about you.
I, they don't, you know, they actually don't, but I just think you and I, I just feel like we could like get into trouble, have a lot of fun, you know? Yeah.
No, I love it. I mean, same. I'd love to get into trouble with you.
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Chapter 2: How did Charli XCX develop her film project?
I mean, yeah, I like could go on and on. Who's was it your idea?
Yeah, it was based on an idea of mine, and I worked on the idea with Aiden Zamiri, who's the director, who's done a lot of my music videos, videos for Billie Eilish.
Your music videos are full productions.
They're cinematic. Thank you. And honestly, I couldn't do it without Aiden. I mean, he's just got such an eye, and he's such a fab director. So yeah, we worked on this project together at the moment. I don't know. It was just, it was really fun. I just, I really love like the meta-ness that can come alongside being an artist.
You're so meta.
Thanks, babe. Yeah. I feel like you are too in ways. Yeah.
You know? It's like, what is meta? Yeah. But like, you know it when you see it. We should do a TED talk about it.
Probably.
actually is there I think it's like interesting that I mean I literally have spent five minutes with you um so I do not know you very well but I feel like you understand like the idea of persona and I feel like you're I'm guessing that you're possibly kind of interested in the idea of
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Chapter 3: What themes does Charli explore in her music and film?
And like even your lyrics and like really listening to you, like you're, I mean, you're obviously a feminist, but you speak such from like
a point of view that we don't always hear it's like you know women are supposed to be like amiable we're supposed to follow directions we're supposed to be easy but you have this fun music that's just like fuck that yeah and there's like other women that exist yeah exactly like more fun
Yeah, and it's like, I'm never gonna claim to be someone who's perfect. I'm so far from it. I've never claimed to be a role model. That is my worst nightmare. Don't do what I do, basically, is my message.
And we're not for kids.
No, not mostly.
The comment parents are like, yeah, put the cigs down. It's like, oh, come on. I see the cigarette lines on your upper lip. You had fun, too. What?
like let me go there's micro needling and lasers for that right right totally yeah but yeah I don't know it's um it's funny isn't it I can't remember what I was gonna say what were you talking about goop yeah oh yeah um no it's gone but I think yeah yeah you're like and Emily
um but yeah no just like being put in a box of like and because same people think i'm dumb just because of like the way i talk right you know i guess which i never really realized because i had such a life outside of the entertainment industry that nobody was ever like like why do you talk like that i think you have an iconic voice by the way it's very very iconic thank you i got dragged like the first time i was on tv i was like dad did
Did I get, like, bonked? Did you drop me? Like, was there, like, some kind of a trauma that changed my voice? And he's like, shut the fuck up already, you know?
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Chapter 4: How does Charli XCX view gossip and its impact on friendships?
And it was since I was like, which I hate talking about, but you heard us a little bit about bleep bleep. But I was on The Bachelor and they, oh my God, you know, it's like middle America. So they really want to put you in a box. They're like, you used to be so sweet.
So even coming out of that bubble, because it's like you saw me at one point in my life, but like some of those people aren't letting me evolve. And like since whatever, you know, I... I became a lesbian, it's like I'm a different person. So the people that you love and whatever, who are in the space, you have to allow them to change, but it's like the core is still there.
And even people who are like, because actually the way you story tell in your songs, I feel like is so vulnerable. And hard. Like, sympathy is a knife. Why I want a gun. Why I want to kill myself. Me, every day in my head.
Right, right. The internal dialogue is that.
But, like, nobody else does that. I feel like pop music is still very, like... you know, cheeky, cutesy, I'm in love with a guy, like, this is what happened.
And I love a lot of that. Like, don't get me wrong. And I also have written many songs that are like that too. Yeah, yeah.
But, like, I think Brat and... I've watched a couple of your music videos with Wuthering Heights, which I feel like is a different side of you. Yeah, totally. Yeah, which I'm so excited about. Thank you. Even thinking as a creator, it's hard to take these little moments and turn them into a story and really know what you're thinking about on the inside. Right, right.
because it's like women have always been in the situation where we ourselves compare ourselves men compare so it's like yeah we've been at a party where we're like oh my god are we good enough yeah like this girl's like so hot she's dressed better like you know but you just put it into a song and it's like so relatable oh well thank you babe i really appreciate that yeah i really appreciate that i have to ask you yeah this is a bit of a oh look at that man
There he is. Which one? He's sort of coming down the street and he's shirtless.
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Chapter 5: What insights does Charli XCX share about her creative process?
Right. 10 years later. Yeah, we've been here for like 20 days. Like, what is this now?
Right, right, right.
Oh, but are you? I bet you have some sick shit.
okay i have some like seriously like trash bag images of me from 2016 and actually like a few of my friends have been sending them to me like one of me just like lying on the street next to a shoe in la wearing three different types of sportswear three different clashing brands i'm like oh my god i'm a mess i'm a mess just like posing and like lying on the ground i'm like this is
gross no it's amazing yeah literally living up to the to the rumor you know but yeah I don't know I released some of my favorite music in 2016 I released a song and an EP called the Vroom Vroom EP so I might post just for like you know homage to that yeah but I don't know which is iconic can you believe that's 10 years ago babe I know like I was on your wiki yesterday and it was so long it was so long
And you know how wicked I'm like, okay, okay, okay, okay. But like, and you know, but you've done so much, like co-written songs, you've been doing this forever. Like, do you feel like time has gone fast?
Yeah, it's funny. It's like sometimes I feel like it's fast and other times it feels like slow. Yeah. You know how that happens. Yeah. So I don't know. But like when I, with this whole 2016 thing, I'm like, oh my God. It's like 10 years. That's crazy. And I'm, how old am I now? I'm 34. Am I 34 or am I 33? No one knows. I'm 34. I'm 34. I'm 33. The whisper. You're whatever you want to be.
Can you Google it?
I'm dead.
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Chapter 6: How does Charli XCX feel about her evolving persona in the industry?
No. That is vulnerable and brave. But the thing is, right, I'm just like, because this is what I was about to say, I'm like 33 and I just feel like great. Yeah. I feel so good. Yes. I feel so good and I feel so like... I don't know, I feel so much better than I felt when I was 25. Or when I was 23, let's say, as we're doing the 10 year jump back to 2016.
I feel so much more, I don't know, in control of who I am and what I want. Obviously, not always. Like, sometimes I'm a complete nervous wreck and I hate myself. Totally happens all the time. Yeah. But, like, generally speaking, I feel so much happier.
Yeah.
And, like, I don't know. It's, I think... When I was a lot younger, I was, I think I was a lot more like, I was kind of nervous about aging in that way that we're kind of like, you know, indoctrinated to think as women, like, oh my God, like we're getting old, we're 30. Like, I feel...
awesome and i feel fucking cool and i have like some well you are thanks babe i have some female friends who are like 40 or in their 40s and i'm like damn you're like so cool and like chic yes like so chic and like have incredible like style and so intelligent and i'm just like i can't wait I can't wait for that. I think it's like... I'm the same way. I don't know. It's really cool.
I just feel... I feel even though... Sometimes I'm like, damn, it's gone by really fast.
That's what I'm scared of.
I feel really good about aging and getting older. Like I...
I don't know there's something like really chic about it to me I like older lesbians that's how I know I'm a lesbian they're so fucking hot and it's not even like their pixie cut or like their grey hair or their tailored suit but it's like when you've dealt with so much strife I feel like and you've like
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Chapter 7: What are Charli's thoughts on the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City?
This last season was so good. I just finished. Did you watch the reunion?
No, that's what I'm going to do tonight. Yes, same. That's what I'm going to do tonight.
And I never watch reunions. I have the chills. Okay, okay. I can't wait. I can't wait. Wait, what side are you on? Are you on Lisa, Meredith, or Bronwyn? Be honest.
Okay, I... It's so tricky. Yeah. I think that, I will say I love Lisa. I think Lisa is epic. And I'm going to Sundance next week. It's in Salt Lake and she is the queen of Sundance. Is she? Well, that's what she calls herself.
She's like, I live a different life than you.
This is true. Jury's out if she actually is, but that's her title for herself. I'm the queen of Sundance. So I'm like, fuck promoting the moment. I want to go see Lisa Barlow.
Well, I want to go see her house.
Right? I want to have a cocktail. Lisa, invite me round if you're watching. Yeah, if you're listening. Come on. Anyway, I just... So I love Lisa, right? Yes. I'm also... Okay, I think that the rest of this episode should probably just be about this, to be honest. It's like a long, deep dive. Mm-hmm.
I, which is why I like reality TV. I feel like you can psychoanalyze people. It's like saying they think we're dumb, but it's like dudes like men watch sports. So it's like, this is our sport.
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Chapter 8: How does Charli XCX balance her career and personal life?
Um, so Meredith, um, being a dj makes me just like i'm like respect girl you know like i'm like cool you've got your thing going on like i respect that yeah okay yeah i think or do i think it was a bit crazy some of the things that the other women called her like yes but do i think that maybe they really were coming at it from like a place of concern. Yes, especially because Mary is my favorite.
Same, I thought she, I'm so glad she's back to herself.
Oh my God, Mary is my favorite and I think she, like some of the other women I feel like maybe could be
kind of stirring the pot a little bit and like just wanting to like jump on yeah but like I really feel like Mary is like truly concerned about Meredith and so when she is like ring leading the like are you okay I do believe it yeah trust it because she has such a soft spot for Mary I love that Mary plays favorites and she's not afraid I know she's amazing yeah she really is and when she called Heather a joke wrapped in mascara she has no
like she has the best like comebacks and i she's i think this season like showed us she's surprisingly self-aware and she knows how to like handle conflict she does it's like just literally tell the truth she does okay what do you think of britney I think, I mean, I'm one of those, I'm such a girl, I'm like, she's so pretty.
Oh, gosh, she's gorgeous. Right? Stunning. Yes. Stunning, stunning.
Yeah, which, like, watching Housewives makes me excited to, like, be older. These women, these women, they, yeah, they have full lives. Yeah. You know, and they're very exciting. I do. I don't know if, same, like speaking of persona and stuff, I don't know if she's playing in.
Right, is she like leaning into that vibe?
Yes, because sometimes she says stuff and I'm like, oh, you're smarter than you let on, so just let it out. But I do think she's trying to make TV, she's trying to make herself known. Something about it is not genuine.
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