Charli XCX

For sure.

I mean, 100%.

It's funny, like I guess as an artist, I had already sort of like dabbled in like commercial success through, yeah, the songs I'd written for other people and been a feature on.

And, you know, that had like literally taken me around the world and allowed me to perform on different stages.

And things like that.

So I kind of had this like secondhand experience, as you were saying, of like pop star success.

But it wasn't, I was sort of like the one like photobombing the photo rather than like in the main center frame.

But it was cool.

You know, I was cool with that.

But yeah.

And then I sort of, I had my own song, this song called Boom Clap, which was in this film called Fault in Our Stars.

Mm-hmm.

And that was my sort of big, like, oh, now she's going to do it.

And it didn't really happen.

I don't think I was ready then.

I didn't really have my brain fully dialed as an artist brain in a way.

I wasn't connecting all the pieces of the puzzle together in the way that I do now when I think about my work.

And then after that, I kind of like...

went into this other world of, okay, now I'm going to kind of really like make underground stuff and work with like my freaky friends and things like that.

And so when Brat happened and people were into that record, I was actually kind of at this point where I was kind of like, I'm just going to make this record for me.