Charli XCX

And

I don't really care if anybody else likes it.

This is for me.

This is for my fans.

I felt like I was at a point in my career where I could really sustain being able to do what I wanted, even if the album wasn't commercially successful.

I was totally at peace with it.

And I'd been so swinging on the pendulum back and forth between what I wanted as a person, as an artist prior to that.

But with this record, I was down the line.

I am ready for it to flop.

Stand by it.

I love it.

Like this is for me and my fans who like give a fuck about what I'm doing.

Um, and then obviously like it didn't really happen like that.

I like a lot more people than my hardcore fan base were into the record and I think

because I had had this prior journey before of like you know being in the background of the photos and like kind of like having this sort of like almost type moments I felt yeah like I'd kind of like seen so much and I'd also like experienced so much of what the industry is and how people come and go and how people treat you when you're on top versus when you're not and I think it's

not to be not to sound jaded it's not that I was jaded I think I'm just quite realistic about fame and the industry and how serious or unseriously you need to take it and yeah I don't know I feel I feel like really thankful that I got to have the experience that I had prior to Rat because I think it

I think I would have been a nightmare if I hadn't.

Honestly, really, I think it would have been quite a dangerous concoction of things all coming together.

Kind of flow state.

And also, I'm very bad at doing the thing where you look back and acknowledge success.